Japan JAL516 A350 Crash Update - Haneda

Here's the latest update on the Haneda Tokyo crash:
The A350 was cleared to land.
The Dash 8 was not supposed to be on the runway, and had been told to taxi to "spot C5".
The Dash 8 got onto the runway, and appeared to be moving from the intersection of C3 towards C5 via RWY 34R instead of via the Taxiway.

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[NekiCat]

As to extinguishing the fire, I've read that the composite structure of the plane burned slower and held together better than a standard aluminium hull, which allowed more time for the evacuation. The downside is that the composites are much harder to extinguish once on fire. Overall, this is a good tradeoff, as you want as much time for the evacuation as possible and the plane would've been scrap either way.

[genec]

Best update and analysis on this crash yet!!

[rampy]

It appears the Dash 8 strobes were on from enhanced CCTV footage. One issue to consider is the A350 HUD. The HUD is notorious for poor dimming. At night, it is not uncommon for pilots to look around the HUD to gain a better appreciation of weather ahead due to a bright green hue. I would also posit the HUD is not focused to infinity.

[jeffstock]

This is the exact type of coverage I've been looking for.

[clarenceday]

I had a similar experience many years ago, with a intersection runway departure, I was told to line up and wait, at the end of the runway another airplane was also told to lineup and wait. I heard it, I immediately told tower, I was ready for takeoff and was cleared. Long story short! I no longer excepted intersection

[prachuryyabaruah]

From what I've heard the Dash 8 was on the alternate tower frequency 124.35 while the A350 was on 118.8. Operating out of uncontrolled G airspace on a regular basis, I can't stress enough how important it is to hear other traffic to build the mental picture and hence situational awareness.

[garrnk]

05:48 the landing gear on most aircraft are usually a magnesium alloy. The landing gear were probably on fire after skidding down the runway with no tires. Magnesium is very hard to put out. And burns very hot probably burned through the structure into the cabin eventually

[tonyhorn]

Standard phraseology is essential regardless of where you are flying in the world. Back in the day I was flying out of a GA airport in a capitol city here in Australia. There were times you were told "Hold short 17 left. Caution Cessna on final" and you would read back the hold short. Then, once the Cessna had landed you would be told "Line up and wait" which you would read back. When the Cessna had vacated you would get "Clear to take off" In this way the tower issues an instruction and expects to hear that instruction repeated back to them so they know you understand exactly what is required. In this case even "You are number one for departure after A350 on final. Hold short 35R" would have prevented the disaster.

[alk]

So to recap - a military crew spent almost a minute sitting on a runway without a clearance, they were nowhere close to the taxiway they were supposed to hold short at, they had lights off. Nice.

[thehobbymachinistnz]

Based of the current facts this is a very good explanation and assessment of the incident. It will be interesting to see what comes out in the cockpit recordings when the investigators get to that stage. I cant understand how the Dash8 pilot survived this impact and fire ball. That is truly a miracle.
All the best from NZ.

[trackcamaronash]

This reminds me of the 1991, USAir Flight 1493 landing on a turboprop. Lots of dominos have to fall before the final one drops, its vitally important to learn from the entire chain of events.

[jcl]

Great video.... Just one clarification.... The airfield diagram you're looking at is out of date.... Two new taxiways were added between C2, and what you shows as C3B...

The two new taxiways are C3 and C4, C5 is now what you shows as c3b.... The dash-8 was just past the touchdown zone markers.

[CKmum]

As a civilian traveller I am always mesmerized by the labrinth of roadways leading to the actual runway. I figured it was training and experience that helped pilots navigate this maze. So I was very shocked to hear you say that you, as copilot, had to stop a captain from accidentally crossing a runway, and that the pilot hadn't realized it was the actual runway until you stopped him. Thus, saving you from paperwork\violation. How many other violation close-calls? Yeeps!😢

[jamesebdon]

Just a couple of comments:

1. Both aircraft communicated with ATC on 2 different Possibly a military frequency for the Dash 8.

2. Juan Browne on his Broncolireo site is a long time 767 pilot with plenty of experience. He states beyond a doubt the runway lights are so bright virtually no aircraft lights can be seen over the super bright runway lights.
So the Airbus 350 had no chance to see the Dash 8 until they were mere feet from it if they ever saw it at all during their flare.

3. The Dash 8 either had no ADSB or it was inoperable.

[StuartWoodwardJP]

My question is “How many flights had that coastguard captain made in the last 24 hours?” If he had been ferrying supplies to the earthquake zone he might have pushed the limits of his own endurance in the name of doing his duty. I’d really like to hear about his last 24 hours. As you said “Make sure you rested…”

[stickpictures]

A very thorough and usefully contextual account--thanks! Not to mention it introduced me to the concept of the PDI, Power Distance Index. Such a brilliant concept, to quantify a cultural/interpersonal dynamic that way, and with much wider application than just cockpit dynamics.

[harumih.]

According to the tecorders collected from ATC, A350 and C8, ATC told C8 pilot to move to a holding spot, but somehow the pilot interpreted the instruction as a clearance to enter the runway. C8 moved into the runaway, stopped for 40 seconds to wait for a further instruction to ready to fly. That was when A350 touched down and collided with C8.

[snowsnoot]

How does a Dash8 sit on an active runway at the country’s busiest airport for 43 seconds and tower doesn’t notice?

[smitthone]

5:20 my take is firefighters were not trying to suppress the fire but to protect the emergency exits.

[phxpaul]

fire response: i was watching the burn when this first hit the news, and the foam truck at the aft left was having trouble dispensing. It was sputtering for a good 2 minutes before they had foam flow