The Problem with cEDH

0:00 Intro
1:48 Card diversity
6:11 Social dynamics
8:28 Counterpoint to card diversity (ft. the Trinket Mage)
12:28 Conclusion

[PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Fantastic video! Really love hearing the concept of CEDH from a newcomer's perspective! As an enfranchised CEDH player, it can be difficult sometimes to look at the format at this level and without bias. You pointed out its upsides and flaws very well! You've gained a new subscriber today. Keep up the great work! Looking forward to more.

[thetrinketmage]

Thanks for having me it was fun working with you on this vid!

[tobiasarboe]

As a cEDH player, this was a very gracious representation of the format; as a fan of yours I didn't expect something bad, but I was a little unsure with the title you presented. Thanks for the video

[TheMattmatic]

One crucial thing about cEDH that makes the format unique is that it's a competitive format with a banlist, but the banlist is not made or curated for the formats meta at all. The Modern banlist is basically created by letting the best players try to "break" the format and then ban the cards that are so dominant that the meta can't adjust to them. If this was the case for cEDH then it's very likely that Dockside, Underworld Breach and Consult/Pact would be banned which could lead to more diverse win conditions, or Mystic Remora banned leading to more diverse draw engines etc.

[enjaded]

i see nothing but facts. coming from a casual and competitive player who thoroughly enjoys commander as a whole

[easyyo]

this was a very good video. i had no idea from cedh until my friend invited me for an evening to play one of his decks. it was cool. but after 5x win with the same combo, i had seen it all.

its a good format for its own. it shud never appear in a normal commander table.

[makesquash]

My pipeline from casual to competitive EDH came from bad experiences playing on TTS and Spelltable. Removing the feelsbads or salt by just sitting down and playing to win is how I like to approach any game of magic.

[jacobrutowski]

I expected to be mad, but am 100% on board and agree with most all of this. I play both and feel like applying lessons learned between the two has made my games more fun overall

[pauldyson]

I really appreciate this video. I am casual 'til I die, but I pay attention to cEDH because I find it super interesting.

[sebastianoparenti]

This channel constantly surprises me. I wouldn't have expected cedh to be a conversation had here. But you covered it excellently and I'm hoping you continue to grow deservedly to the size of a channel benefitting the quality of your arguments and videos. Good luck.

[bramd]

Hoo, boy, what a topical video reccomendation given recent events...

[cedhtv]

Really good video. I have so many comments but I will just say you are correct with modification. But still your correct. I think it was really good to have someone come and say something short about it.

[enjaded]

also, i completely agree and like the idea presented of rule zero. something that ive taken away from my play at competitive to casual tables is the mindset of 'let people play whatever'. i always tell people that they shouldnt complain about what cards are on the other side of the table. you can ask them to change decks, remove yourself from the table yourself, etc. but whining or complaining reduces fun for everyone.

[vitorluis]

It was nice to see you two collab. I found both of you around the same time, and you both have really helped me get better at the game.

[brromo]

6:48 The rule 0 conversation IS that you're playing cEDH. It's **technically** the same format as commander

[Amazementss]

Great video, and overall a solid presentation of the format's upsides and downsides.

As you said, the overarching issue with casual games not being fun is misalignment of expectations. There are several main forms it takes and it doesn't simply boil down to power level differences. You hit on this, and a lot of the discourse tends to gloss over it.

For me, the most egregious offender for polarized experiences is the idea that a game of EDH should be an hour or more and build up an epic boardstate. In the majority of cases, it ends up being a slog where people are too afraid to just win and "end the fun." Thankfully, this trend seems to be reversing somewhat. People have become more willing to accept that it's usually more fun to play a few faster games for a more rounded overall experience.

[GageTheMage]

LOVE THE COLLAB. I watch you and @trinket mage a ton. Love your approaches to commander

[kevanrynning]

You should do a video about pauper commander, or PDH. I recently got into it and it has roughly the same arguments for it that cedh does, no rule 0. But it ALSO has a much wider card variety because of how limited you are in power level

[bretts]

Very simple. In EDH there are like 30, 000 legal cards, and 15, 000 of them are viable. In cEDH, there are 30, 000 legal cards, and 500 of them are viable.

[Sillimant_]

I've been looking at cEDH on and off for a few months, but never saw more than the surface level. I'll have to look into it more, this is really interesting summary