Confidently choosing which heroes to ascend: Advice from Empires and Puzzles Books and Mr. Spock

The most common question that I and Empires and Puzzles Books get is should I ascend this hero or this hero? We wanted to try and have a talk that could cover what considerations need to be made for deciding which heroes to ascend. The goal for us here was to further empower our player base in deciding how to make these considerations and be confident that you are making the right choice for yourself as a player.

[S.ar.a.]

Love to see you both have conversations always interesting to see you both going over details and very useful info. Thanks for this and enjoyed both very much 😊

[ctownsend]

Stellar video. I am still chuckling over "Lobster is A+".

I definitely appreciate both your thoughtful perspectives on the game and especially on how to use finite resources. Definitely a lot of think about as we continue to play in the community.

Would love to see a future dialogue between you two on the different types of wars and the different perspectives/rosters you take for Rush attack, equalizer, undead horde etc.

[theblueoceanfamily]

So glad to see together again Jeff & Mr.Spock and another great one . Very imported topic you have covered and will definitely be helpful for many many players as this question been going around for as long as E&P exist . Couldn’t you make this video 2 years ago so i could have avoided some great f….. ups . 🙈🙂 . Great to see you both nad waiting for another one . All the best guys .

[raycharles]

Another aspect to the limit breaks could be: which hero do I use often or would like to use more often, because the hero is still relevant in general or to myself, but seems a bit weak or outdated currently. Especially stat-wise. The decision to limit break such a hero (for example Drake or Poseidon) can help to boost him or her back to a more competitive level. So I definitely agree to not limit break too fast the heros that are already powerful and might not need the break, but instead think about which heros could or would "need" the break as a boost. Seeing it this way or at least consider this might help people with less deep rosters to boost up their level of competitiveness. Other than that, well done guys! Great evaluation.

[RP-ecot]

Great discussion lads and excellent advice for anyone new to the game or anyone for that matter who is contemplating ascending heroes and building out their teams. Fully agree that patience and trying to visualize or build those synergies with your teams is key! Looking forward to your next collaboration/conversation...

[milodemoray]

Thanks for sharing, both of you have highlighted some important aspects which is very valuable. For one, where we started, and where we are now, what we focus on and what we get our enjoyment from.

I started a little more than a year ago and all I wanted was a fast heavy damage dealer but now most of the time I'm using hit 3's. Heavy snipers still have their place but my game play has advanced to more of an attrition stile even though I do not have heroes like Freya, Bera and so on. I feel mama control is very important and I have begun to embrace what the game was kind enough to "give" me, I.e. Black Knight, Raffaele, Justice and Isarnia because these types of heroes have far more impact than the snipers.

Again, heroes like Jeff said, do not exist in a vacuum. So it is very important to consider carefully according to what you have, and what you want from the hero before they are ascended, never mind level broken.

[Drtnck]

That's probably the best video I've watched :)

[markraiman]

I love these collaboration videos from my two most watched e&p channels.

[tyriongamer]

Miki is awesome to level. Useful for titans, mythic titan, rush war and tourney. And even though he is slow very useful for ninja tower.

[smartof]

Wow great video Mr Spock and Jeff, very enlightening. One video I would like to see is a strategy to leveling troops. If I had the money and resources I would have 30 Mana troops. Thanks for the video be blessed and keep Gaming!!

[thomascomeau]

Thank you both for the content you put out there because it is very helpful.

[matthewkemp]

Thank you both for taking the time to share thoughts and opinions to us noobs. Great advice.

[malice]

Great video mate, very informative! 👍

[Steve-tmuz]

😂 40 minutes to say “it depends”. Spot on though! Great video. Love you two working together so respectfully. Thank-you “boss” and EPB. Have a rum on me 🥃🥃☠️🏴‍☠️🐧

[rtrbills]

I appreciate the time and effort you each put into the video. I enjoy the philosophy discussion and how it shapes your thoughts. I would like to hear hero examples which was almost totally lacking. Here is an example. You discussed key 4 Stars, but never named them. This would have helped me to better understand how your thoughts translated to actual heros. This would have fleshed out everything else you shared. Thanks for all your efforts!

[fredphillips]

Please do a video discussion on which 4 star heroes should be considered for limit breaking!

[cielloventurajus]

Poppy's limit was the best decision I've made at Empires in a while lol. He plays a lot in events, hits really hard, I think I'll break a second one. great video, this type of discussion is very enriching. Synergy and badge availability are the two factors that weigh the most in my decisions to level a hero.

[zionssuburb]

Miki is a silencer as well, that seems to play right into your game Mr. Spock, I'm actually surprised you don't see Miki as more valuable for your team

[karennewman]

I did limit break Black Knight. I figured he needed the boost in stats to survive being in taunt.

[josephc.]

one other thing that is underappreciated is that some heroes will inevitably be benched as a roster develops. i used Marjana for a long time, but since i summoned Gefjon, she took Marjana's spot on my war and raiding teams, and i just haven't found another team for Marjana yet. do i regret putting some rings on the Lady of Windemer? not one bit—and i still haven't pulled the costume. she's still there and at +7 for whenever i need her, and i know there will come a time that she'll give me the wins that she used to, even if i never pull her costume.

a more absurd example: Kashhrek. he was the first 4* i maxed because that lizard was what i had at the time, but now my roster is at a point where he nearly permanently rides the pine, even in 4* tournaments. BUT there was one war hit that i brought him out in Rush Attack, and he and a bunch of other misfits one-shotted a team 1400+ TP better than it, so i was glad he was available on my bench. i think my attacking team team was Gobbler, Buddy, C. Melendor, Kashhrek, and Shrubbear, and i don't remember the hit exactly (sadly didn't take video of it), but i do remember the timer reaching 30 seconds before the Ursena on wing went down to tiles, and i took the W—all because Kashhrek kept Shrubbear alive to keep Taunt in play.