Molinism's Fatal Flaw

Dr. James White contends that the Grounding Objection is Molinism's faltal flaw and therefore, ought to be rejected. But Tyson and Tim spent some time evaluating different responses to the Grounding Objection and how it fails to actually defeat Molinism. Sadly, Dr. White seems unfamiliar with the literature on this objection, therefore misses the mark when attempting to present it as a defeater for Molinism. Also, we can see in Dr. White's dialectic why philosphy is so important when defining terms and presenting new concepts as definitions matter and Dr. White's appeal to Christian creationism seems rather misleading.

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[JohnQPublic]

If you are supposed to be educating us instead of making unsubstantiated claims, here on YouTube, why don’t you Steelman the argument and logically walk us through, step-by-step, the proofs and counterproofs for proving or disproving your claims about Molinism, namely, in this case, “the Grounding Objection”? As certain as you feel you are in your beliefs this should be an easy task. Then we have a solid record of you guys clearly explaining the issues so everybody [lay people and the great unwashed] can go back and look at it over and over!

[chriswest]

I’m not sure of all the aspects of the grounding issue but, even if you can get truth without a truth maker, it still comes out Calvinist doesn’t it?
By that I mean, if there’s a one to one correspondence from say map to territory, there’s no room for freewill?

[yrj]

In all things God is totally sovereign.

[ricksonora]

To what is this a response? A link in the description would help.

[JohnQPublic]

You never seem to acknowledge the fact that there are unsettled questions or that there exist such a thing as pseudo-philosophy, the fact that GOD can create free creatures doesn’t [1] address or prove the fact that “the Grounding Objection”, as it was originally constructed, is not the fatal flaw of Molinism and [2] mean that the Craig/Stratton theory of Molinist Creation and Molinist theology is viable.