Perlis council to provide education and financial aid, ensure Loh’s children follow Islamic faith

A Perlis religious agency has sought to intervene in Loh Siew Hong’s divorce petition to ensure her children maintain their Islamic faith.

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[pohyokelo]

Faith is a personal choice. Let the family get on with their lives.

[anakmalaya]

There should be no more debate about the definition or interpretation of the law on unilateral conversion, as the Federal Court had ruled in 2018 that both parents of a child must consent to the conversion of a child’s religion.
Perhaps nothing better illustrates the nexus between the religious establishment and government agencies than the case of Indira Gandhi – another mother whose children vanished mysteriously after they were converted in 2009.
Though the highest court in the land ruled in her favor, gave her full custody, and declared the conversion of her three children null and void.

[NurHidayah-delb]

There should be fairness in distributing financial aid to those of islamic faith. Here, they ask 70 year old pak cik and 68 year old mak cik to go to work and refuse financial assistance. But, for Loh's case, they are throwing themselves onto it.

[anakmalaya]

Mereka mengaku sebagai orang Islam yang soleh, tetapi tidak dapat membezakan antara hak dan batil.

. Kesalahan yang besar dianggap sebagai perbuatan yang soleh, manakala kesalahan yang kecil disertai dengan nafsu darah memerlukan hukuman yang lebih berat. Kalau orang curi kat masjid dapat 5 tahun, apa yang orang curi billion dapat?

Al-Quran berkata. Jangan campur adukkan kebatilan dengan kebenaran dan ceritakan kebenaran, lebih-lebih lagi apabila anda mengetahui kisah sebenar.

[tarasubramaniam]

Why not allow the mother and children to get on with their lives..
Instead of enticing with promise of Funding.. Why not allow the children Time to choose which Faith they want...

[anakmalaya]

Mufti Perlis Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin mempamerkan penerimaan buruk terhadap pemimpin India seperti P Waytha Moorthy, P Ramasamy dan M Kula Segaran apabila menasihatkan mereka meninggalkan Malaysia jika kalah berdebat dengan Naik.

Ia adalah satu kenyataan yang tidak wajar di pihak beliau kerana mereka adalah rakyat Malaysia yang mempunyai akar di negara ini sedangkan beliau tidak.

Tambahan pula, tiada istilah perbahasan agama. Agama adalah berdasarkan kepercayaan peribadi dan menyeru kepada penerimaan dan toleransi bersama.

“Saya difahamkan Asri mungkin kosong daripada perdebatan intelektual, malah dia harus tahu bahawa membangkitkan sentimen perkauman dan mengadukan satu komuniti dengan yang lain adalah berbahaya dalam pelbagai kaum.
Tolong jangang Malu Sendiri Asri.(“Kaduk naik junjung.”)

[acm]

Bila nak buat sesuatu secara sembunyi memang salah.
Sekarang siapa orang luar yang nak boss around keluarga ini.
Null and void cinversion mereka.
So tolong jangan KACAU MACAM GANGSTER AND PUSH LOH AROUND.
INI BUKAN HAL ORANG LUAR.
INI HAL MEREKA.
BIARKAN MEREKA.
IBU DECIDE.
KALAU YOU NAK PERGI SAMPAI HIGH COURT UNTUK TETAP CONVERSIIN,
LEBIH KUAT LAGI HAK IBU UNTUK MENENTU AGAMA MEREKA.
JANGAN CAMPURTANGAN.

[ARVINDKumar-cmes]

Wahai rakyat Malaysia.. Di dunia ini, sila ingat bahawa tiada ugama yg mempunyai ranking kedudukan.. Tolong jangan memalukan mana2 agama di sini.. Dlm kes keluarga Loh, kita sepatutnya membiarkan anak2 yg berkaitan utk mempunyai fikiran waras utk mereka memilih agama Islam atau agama asal setelah mereka besar dewasa.. Skg da zaman moden tapi masih ada segelintir org cuba mengungkitkan bab ugama utk mengucar-kacirkan ketenteraman hidup rakyat jelata..

[acm]

IF THE CHILDREN SAY THEY WANNA GO BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL FAITH LET THEM.
LET ALL THE RELIGIOUS FANATICS LEAVE OUT OF THIS.
NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
BETWEEN LOH AND HER CHILDREN.
NO NEEC TO SIBUK AND BREAKUP FAMILY.
GOD IS KIND AND VERY JUST
PEOPLE ARE THE TWISTED, CORRUPT AND HARBOUR EVIL INTENTION.

[jamestan]

Why some people are still not satisfied with the court orders. Leave them alone. There are many, willing to assist the family. What happen to your roundtable discussion ???what a show of power . People are laughing 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

[muhammadhafidzabdullah]

Ramai lagi anak2 orang Melayu beragama Isam yg terbiar du Malaysia nape Maza ni TAKSUB sgt dgn pendirian dia?skrg pula nak jd ahli pllitik gunakan DEDAK-entah lah apa nak

[anakmalaya]

Adakah wajar bagi seorang mufti yang sedang berkhidmat untuk memberi pendapat secara bebas tentang politik dan membuat kenyataan menyeluruh mengenai kumpulan minoriti yang telah menyumbang secara signifikan kepada pembangunan masyarakat mereka sendiri dan orang lain selama lebih setengah abad?

Pada amnya, kumpulan minoriti tidak menuduh orang Melayu sebagai "perkauman" walaupun terdapat beberapa dasar diskriminasi atas nama tindakan afirmatif.

Jadi untuk memetik satu insiden kecil mereka mempersoalkan khat untuk pelajaran Bahasa Melayu adalah remeh. Jangang malu sendiri.

[anakmalaya]

It’s becoming an all too familiar story: a desperate mother trying to regain custody of her children from the clutches of an overzealous, overbearing religious establishment. It’s no longer just about the illegal and unethical conversion of minors; it’s about the refusal of the religious establishment to respect the laws of the land.

The facts of the case are clear enough. In a 2018 landmark decision, Malaysia’s Federal Court – the highest court in the land – unanimously ruled that the consent of both parents is required for the conversion of minors. Religious authorities were served notice in no uncertain terms that they may NOT convert minors without the consent of both parents.

Specious arguments like those put forward by the Mufti of Perlis that the children (of Mrs. Loh Siew Hong, in this case) did not want to go with their mother or that state law permits unilateral conversion are entirely irrelevant. As a statement by G25, a group of influential Malays, pointed out, “conversion of children without the consent of both parents [is] unconstitutional and invalid.
To allow this unlawful separation and conversion to continue is a travesty of justice and a violation of our Federal Constitution and the orders of the Courts.”
Malaysia at the Mercy of the Divine Bureaucracy, They get away with such behavior because they know that they can count on the government to look the other way. They have been so successful in co-opting the machinery of government behind them that they have become untouchable.
Notice, for example, how quickly the authorities moved to investigated Penang Deputy Chief Minister P. Ramasamy for criticizing the religious establishment but have made no move to investigate those who carried out the illegal conversions in the first place.

[moromoro]

Ada lagi Hal penting untuk tolong...p buat tu la...byk lagi nak baiki....ramai yg hilang suami masa covid dah tak mampu biayai Hal anak...tolong duk paksa paksa

[ganeshchidambar]

Tolong hormati hak orang untuk keluar dari islam. Tak salah pun..

[blackstoneali]

Mufti jahil perlis jgnlah lgi 'panaskn isu ini..anak2 sdh kembali kpd ibu maka biarlh 'si ibu yg mendidik dn menjaga anaknya dgn cara agama asal anak trsebut..

[anakmalaya]

Back to Perak, since the death of the last mufti 10 months ago no new mufti has been appointed.

And here is the story - it does not seem that HRH the Sultan of Perak is in any hurry to appoint another Mufti. Talk is the Sultan does have capable people who are advising him on religious matters in the State. Plus the entire Jabatan Agama Islam Negeri Perak is also at the Sultan's disposal.

May I congratulate His Royal Highness the Sultan on his wisdom in ruling over Perak - tanahair ku, where I was born and raised. Daulat Tuanku.
So do we need Muftis? The official person and role of a Mufti is simply an exercise in 'men-jabatankan agama' or 'bureaucratising religion'.

The opinion of a Mufti does not constitute religious law. In Pakistan you can attend a two year course of study at numerous religious schools (some without water or electricity) after which they will award you a 'Mufti' certificate. You can then call yourself a certified "mufti". But that does not give you the right to make new religious laws.

But that is not the case in Malaysia. In Malaysia religion is under the jurisdiction of the States - under the Sultans and Rulers. Religion is defined by the political boundaries of the State.
Technically the Sultan has the final say on any religious matter within his State - including making religious rulings which become part of religious laws within his State.

Once gazetted, any breach of a fatwa is a criminal offence punishable by fines, whipping and jail terms.
But not always. In Selangor, Kedah and Perlis a fatwa was gazetted that made smoking haram and a religious offence (since 1995). But so many people smoke in those States and no one has been punished yet.

The administrative mechanism by which such religious rulings are transformed into State laws is the Pejabat Mufti or Mufti's Office. It is the Pejabat Mufti which usually floats some new religious ruling, which are then presented to the State Legislature for its approval. Once approved and gazetted it becomes part of State Law.

The Mufti may also come up with his own opinions or fatwas on certain issues which still have to go through the same process - consent of the Ruler, approval by the State Legislature and publishing in the official State gazette

.Since the Mufti is appointed at the sole discretion of the Sultan, the pejabat Mufti therefore carries the force of a Royal appointment.

So do we need Muftis? No we do not. Let me explain. Perak has functioned quite well for 10 months now without a mufti.

The reason being religious matters in a State are under the jurisdiction of the Sultan and the Rulers.
pinion of a Mufti does not constitute religious law. In Pakistan you can attend a two year course of study at numerous religious schools (some without water or electricity) after which they will award you a 'Mufti' certificate. You can then call yourself a certified "mufti".

But that does not give you the right to make new religious laws.

[anakmalaya]

How many Muslim couples in Malaysia get divorced each year?
In 2012, a whopping 56, 760 divorces were recorded, which is equivalent to a marriage breaking down every 10 minutes. According to statistics provided by the Syariah Judiciary Department Malaysia (JKSM), the number of Muslim couples getting divorced rose by 2.3 times from 20, 916 in 2004 to 47, 740 in 2012, and to 49, 311 last year
.Mufti Perlis Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin, please look at the problems, the Muslim children have
to undergo, solve these issues. These children need help. Not Loh children's.(Perlis council to provide education and financial aid, ensure Loh’s children follow the Islamic faith)

[anakmalaya]

Tuan-Tuan, apa lagi Tuan-Tuan Mau?
Tuan-Tuan sudah kena kencing dan diperbodohkan sekali lagi.
Tuan-Tuan boleh buat apa? Tuan-Tuan tak boleh buat apa pun.
Tuan-Tuan boleh tutup mulut, duduk diam dan bayar saja.
Inilah konsep Ketuanan Melayu. Dan ini juga Dasar Ekonomi Baru. Dan ini juga perjuangan agama, bangsa dan entah kepala hotak apa lagi oleh mereka.

Apa itu Ketuanan Melayu? Ketuanan Melayu ialah satu konsep mencuri duit rakyat di mana Melayu kaya raya yang paling sikit yang anggap diri mereka 'Tuan' boleh telan duit rakyat marhaen menerusi lesen monopoli, projek monopoli, konsesi monopoli dan banyak jenis monopoli.

[mehruarts]

Their don't have rights to said maintain at their beliefs.. The question is who's the dalit who playing the sensitivity of religion.. Their are born vedas... Why following non vedas, of course karma but dont forget the origin of your mother. Other countries islam can understand god. Only here all kind of silly nonsense happens...Is their any islam became vedas No. / why because is became rules which not created by BRITISH.. DAY BY DAY Playing victim..
Every situation won be the same...