The PROBLEM with the combat in DUNE

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[comlitbeta]

My two grain of salt if i remember correctly,
1 the max speed allowed fro shield penetration isnt that low, it's low enough to protect from bullets but most humans movement can pass through and this is where the trick is, you need to moov fast enough to do damage but slow enough to bypass shield.
2 if you have a shiel up on arakis a sandworm is rapidly approaching your location.

[kennethfharkin]

When you see Duncan hitting people with a fast moving blade and penetrating the shield I believe there is more at work. He moves fast to get into contact and position, then slows his thrust to penetrate. This is a testament to Duncan's phenomenal skill and control, to be able to immediately slow the fast thrust at the last fraction of a second in order to get past the shield. At other times he is hammering people aside, while not penetrating he the force of the attack exists knocking foes off guard.

[EnigmaticPeanut]

shields in that universe are like non-newtonian fluids. solid when you go fast, liquid when you are slow.

[absolutmauser]

I like that you clarified that it's not a real sandworm tooth dagger 😂

[natashaweikath]

Good morning Sir, what an interesting video. I believe if you were to go off the book people do not wear armour in the Dune book because of the shields. Also, on Dune or Arrakis it would clearly be very unwise to wear any type of armour as it would immediately drain your body of your water with all the sweating you would clearly be doing within that armour. From memory, I do not think the word armour is even mentioned in Dune book, whereas the Shields and stillsuit clearly is. I think they only put on the armour for the movie as another visual effect. Thank you for sharing, have a lovely day.

[ShadowWolfTJC]

Interesting fact about Dune's shields:

If you shoot a shield with a lasgun, it would cause a chain reaction that's comparable to an atomic bomb (my guess would be a small-scale nuclear device on par with a massive fuel-air bomb, such as a MOAB, or a TOS-1), which would consume both the shield and the lasgun.

With that in mind, why hasn't anyone thought about developing disposable missiles that shoot lasguns at shielded targets? Sure, the Butlerian Jihad may have made thinking machines illegal (perhaps including simple computers), but surely, it shouldn't be hard to develop a basic missile guidance system, right?

I remember playing the old Emperor: Battle for Dune real-time strategy game, which took place within the Dune universe, and one of my strategies for dealing with House Ordos's shielded units was to use an Ixian Projector Tank to create false copies of Ordos laser tanks, and then send those projections on suicide runs against Ordos shielded units.

[markkodryk]

Slow, in this case, means slower than bullets, explosions and that sort of things. It doesn’t mean move like a snail.

[brandonguffey]

The guy that brings a spear to a dune battle is gonna be a legend.

[TheGreatDayne]

The army’s are just for the nobility to play the game of thrones

The bene gessiret and spacing guild have worked for millennia to remove as much danger and effectiveness from the nobility and their armies as possible


War in dune is a game to keep the nobility out of the way of actual important business

[grennbalze]

From my understanding, the shields allow slow moving matter to pass through so they dont suffocate inside the shields. But what if you wore an oxygen tank, and amped up the personal shileds

[lewisbenzie]

SHIELD, DEFENSIVE: the protective field produced by a Holtzman generator. This field derives from Phase One of the suspensor-nullification effect. A shield will permit entry only to objects moving at slow speeds (depending on setting, this speed ranges from six to nine centimeters per second) and can be shorted out only by a shire-sized electric field.

[jeromethiel]

You can cut kevlar with scissors. It has a high tensile strength (which is needed of stopping bullets), but not all that cut resistant. You can make it cut resistant, if you make it crazy thick (like chainmail, not cloth). And at that point, a lot of plastics are cut resistant.

[lostgeneration-ymdr]

uh shad don't know if youcover later in video but they don't use shield on dune it drive the sandworms into a killing frenzy and the criss knife is supposed to be made from the tooth of Shai hallud which it's teeth go through harvester plates so I would think they can go through battleplate

[Birkarl_]

Shad is wrong, the 1-inch full power works. The shield is around you, once you get that close, inside, you can go fast again. Its only that you can't penetrate the shield fast, not that once it is broken into it stops anything anymore. The shield only works against velocity, not against acceleration, in other words. The shield is designed to counteract projectiles 100% and that it counters fullspeed fast melee weapons is only a side effect.

[Saba-oe]

3:49 It's flamethrowers, isn't it?

[sylvaindupuis]

I think you have to take in consideration the history of the shield in that world. I think it was created to stop bullets and energy weapons, that created a return to blades in actual combat since it's easier to slow a blade than a bullet. Since the shield is there to stop bullets, only the surface need to be hard to penetrate, so I think that once the tip of a blade has gone true, you can go faster. This will give a preference to long thin blades where the section would be the same once the tip pass true the field. A dagger that goes tapered in a V shape will still meet some resistance as the section get wider and prevent you to go faster for the final blow.

[thing]

Solution: Wikipedia page - Powerhead (Firearm)... It's so easy to overlook and it just popped into my head "wait... didn't humans already invent the perfect weapon for dune without thinking about it?"

[ScottyAlmondjoy]

Would a snubby revolver on the end of a stick get past the shield? I guess it depends on how close the shield is to the skin.

[rockmcdwayne]

Watching the fight scenes in the movie i always wondered that, technically speaking, firearms could still be more effective than daggers or swrods that you must ''push'' through the shield to kill your target. Namely, if you basically shoot from point blank range, in other words, you get your gun muzzle through the shield before pulling the trigger or you must touch your target with gun muzzle before shooting!
I could imagine some actual ''gun-fu'' martial art being developed!

[GoldenH]

In the books the shield works by deflecting fast objects. But I don't think it could stop a spear once the tip is through the shield because the spear shaft is moving through the same space. It also might even provide leverage for twisting, providing a fulcrum at thr fastest point of the spear that you can then apply to the armored target