Women are Delusional and Men are Disenfranchised - The Problem With Modern Relationships

Talking points: Modern Relationships, Dating, Unrealistic Expectations, Societal Narratives, Disenfranchisement, Mating Strategies, Entitlement

Are modern relationships setting us up for failure? Today's episode tackles the turbulent waters of contemporary dating, exploring the intricate dynamics influenced by evolving societal norms and economic realities. I delve into how women's heightened expectations, fueled by unrealistic ideals and societal narratives, have created an unattainable image of the perfect partner.

This leaves many men feeling disenfranchised and unable to meet these lofty standards. I also examine why women's mating strategies have not evolved in tandem with their rising social and economic status, resulting in a dissonance that complicates genuine connections.

HIGHLIGHTS
(00:00) The Delusion of Modern Relationships
(10:21) Men's Disenfranchisement in Modern Relationships
(22:56) Thoughts on Sharing Relationship Perspectives

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[smurf]

The expectations are so high that it’s easier to stay single. You can just relax and enjoy a peaceful life without the pressure.

[takumifujiwara]

My great grandfather was a shoemaker in a small village - he found a wife without a problem. My grandfather was working as a factory worker - he found a wife without a problem. My father is a locksmith - he found a wife without a problem. Meanwhile I need to become a rich, emotionally mature, physically fit gigachad with a large social circle to just have a CHANCE of maybe finding some 3/10 women with 20+ bodycount. Nah bro, let's just acknowledge the elephant in the room - the juice is not worth the squeeze in today's dating market. Hoeflation totally destroyed relationships.

[matejfele]

It's not fear, I simply don't want to manage an adult child.

[hieronymusbosch]

"The guy she saw on tinder" You mean the 9 who slept with her and who she now thinks is her marriage level.

[jasonmoss]

This dynamic is so exhausting… no man on this planet is perfect. So, no matter what the men do we ultimately lose as long as women are looking for “perfection”. Its unattainable

[Anotherguyst]

Host says: "Women are delusional"

Also host Addressing Men: "You have bought into this BS notion that there is something wrong with women!"

[maafg]

When a woman stops being delusional, she has options galore.

When a man stops being delusional/becomes enfranchised, he still has to find a needle in a haystack.

[BloodyHeck]

You say that men feel disenfranchised but that we shouldn’t blame women, yet the first half of the video is acknowledging that women seem to be delusional as to the type of man they’re going to get. I consider myself an average guy and have always felt invisible to women. I went to college, always had a good career and income, after college I bought a nice house, when I was younger I was 5’11” and while I can’t claim to be built or buff, I’ve always been in good shape. But as an example as to why I feel disenfranchised is that while I was 5’11”, not making it to the magical 6’, I’ve heard “I don’t date short guys” more than a few times in my life. While I owned my own home, that house back in my 20s and 30s was a basic 1, 100 sq ft ranch so it was never nice enough. Same with a car, I’d usually be driving a car that was usually no more than 5 years old but because it wasn’t sporty or luxurious enough, it didn’t count. Education, only a 4 year so not impressive enough. Income? I was making $50k back in the 90s and it’s grown since. Now that I’m in my 50s I’m now making right at $100k. Doesn’t matter and never did. Now women want a man who makes at least $200k and despite going on nice vacations, buying nice gifts, going to nice restaurants and events and driving a newer, reliable car, as soon as you tell a women you can’t afford something, you’re seen as too poor to date.
Sorry but I don’t think I’m the problem. Yes I feel disenfranchised but I will put 70-80% of that on women being delusional.

[mylesnichols]

Fence-sitting hard with this one. Men are disenfranchised because of fear of women? Because of “fragility”? Because they blame women and are not putting in the effort themselves? Give me a break.
Men are disenfranchised because most of us are brutally unsuccessful on online dating.
Men are disenfranchised because of the impacts from the “also me” movement.
Men are disenfranchised because of the mainstream narrative that seems to be anti masculine/pro women.

[vbj]

Esther Perel delves deeply into the challenges men and women face in modern relationships and marriages. “Today, we turn to one person to provide what an entire village once did: a sense of grounding, meaning, and continuity. At the same time, we expect our committed relationships to be romantic as well as emotionally and sexually fulfilling. Is it any wonder that so many relationships crumble under the weight of it all?” - Mating in Captivity.

"Our expectations of our partners have never been so high. We often put too much pressure on our romantic partners and have unrealistic expectations for them. We expect a lover, best friend, co-parent, advisor, and more, and people usually can’t fulfill all of these different needs all of the time".

[Kevin-tshf]

I think the biggest issue we have on an interpersonal societal level is changing the highest ideal from self-sacrifice to self-love. Marriage takes sacrifice. Having children is a sacrifice. Self-love feels fantastic when you’re coming from a place of insecurity or perceived inferiority, but it distorts reality if it isn’t balanced with truth.

[MachineMan-mjgj]

I’m afraid of anything that can assault you in public and get you in trouble for it.

[kurayamisidekick]

Soooo part 1 women have made the dating game impossible to win for men because of insanely high standards and ditching men at the slightest sign of conflict.

Part 2: men you've disenfranchised yourself because you say women are the problem, you say women have insane standards, and you don't want to risk conflict anymore because women will ditch you at the drop of a hat, sooo men it's your fault you have to throw yourself back into the meat grinder women have put in place for you???

Seems like completely dodging the very possibility that men CAN in fact be victims just as much as women, and have gone back to blaming men for everything that happens to them, even when it is completely outside of men's control.

Men can and should self improve, but where's the motivation for that where women say 80% of a perfect man is still not good enough? What's the point to improve if it never pans out?

You're going against men's fears, without actually looking into what is causing those fears, and whether or not those fears are valid. Telling men to ignore valid fears and just dive head first into the meat grinder is only going to get more men hurt.

[PepitoSbezzeguti]

15:49 "just ignore the actual problems and you'll be fine" you're pushing innocent men into a meat grinder without helping them at all. You are part of the problem, do better.

[SuperDagod]

I’m not afraid of women . I’m
Afraid of losing my stuff and income.

[brendanriuz]

There is a difference in the scale of risks. The "backlash" from a risk of rejection is small. The "backlash" from a women deciding she's "unhappy", filing for divorce, getting 60% of everything and alimony, is many magnitudes worse. The woman can even get this if the man has provided everything for her and she doesn't need to work. (In fact, the legal argument is that she needs more because she didn't need to work.) The reality, in today's society, is that a man is risking everything and a woman has a very low risk. From a purely logical perspective, it makes no sense to risk so much for so little gain.

[ntolman]

I don't want to put in the work to get rejected 100s of times and only get someone who settles for me.

[danielbezjak]

It's crazy out here. I've built a very decent life for myself. Own my own business. Have a nice home on a couple acres. 6ft tall, fit, decent looking. Good family values. No vices. Dated a bunch but have not been able to find a decent girl worth settling down with. They either have a lot of past trauma, have a masculine attitude or act as if they're doing me a favour by being with me. Just earlier today as I finished cutting the grass, I was looking out at my property and was thinking to myself how crazy it is that all a girl would have to do to be a part of my life and share in everything I've built is just not be a typical modern woman. Our society just does not produce marriageable women any more.

[Pieterpittigeportiepeperpathe]

One big reason for entitlement in women is that women will always get attention from a man with a much higher status, looking for a short adventure, but not looking for a relationship. The chance they will have a relationship with such a man is really low, so they settle for less. That makes women think the man is not good enough.

[Rainer]

The bigger picture in all this and the real tragedy outside of the bottom 85% of men feeling unloved, unwanted and overall horrible is that we are gonna die out as a species not because of nuclear war or a huge catastrophy but because social media and online dating gave women a false sense of selectionbias nature could have never predicted happening. It's literally a glitch in the system that should have never happend. Just 30 years ago an average woman would have maybe been hit on by 10 average guys a year and one would succeed often leading to a relationship, children or marriage. Now a 3/10 gets simped on by 250 dudes a day with Ferraris, 6'4ft, or male model faces. We will never recover from that and this issue will spread over the entire planet soon.