Synthetic Fuel Is NOT the Answer! | Future of Motorcycles!

The comments of that video kinda went sideways with many missing the point. However, a common idea kept coming up, Synthetic fuel aka E fuel! I can tell you with facts and numbers, not opinions why that will not be used instead of battery Electic vehicles BEV's. It is not complicated its simple.
I am not saying EV's are perfect, far from it but they have time and will prove to be the future! Ok that last bit was opinion! haha

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[Ghosty_]

OUTRAGEOUS! E-FUEL IS THE ANSWER SIMPLY BECAUSE I LIKE WHEN BIKE GO BRAP!

[aidensmobile]

I'm fairly new to the bike community (24 months) and I find it so curious that it seems to attract such a disproportionate amount of conspiracy theorists and wackos. Some one these ones going on about regulations and the World Economic Forum conspiracies are so far off the deep end. Doesn't do a lot of good for the bike community's image. Thank heavens for the balance that you add, Spicy! Much appreciated that you keep things logical.

[jandjemal]

right let me help everyone here . I use synthetic fuel on my vehicle now getting that out the way . It's true synthetic fuel will not replace batteries or electric car toys but What it will do is allow people that want to stick with their internal combustion engine vehicles to continue using them in a green way will it be Yet more accessible to the public in the future definitely We already have the infrastructure with petrol stations As you all should know formula one is going to be using synthetic fuel by 23 everything from formula 1 comes down to most cars that we use and I'm talking about technology wise . so synthetic fuel will be an option a company called Prometheus fuels are doing it and so are zero petroleum also porche and the list goes on hope I've managed to help .and yes you can use sythetic fuel on bikes as well .

[thedarkknight]

Regarding the 5 year earlier ban on 125cc bikes... Unless manufacturers are planning to replace these small capacity bikes with GEARED electric bikes (ie electric motor hooked up to a gearbox for powering the rear wheel) then the Govt SHOULD STOP this ban right now. Being an ex ROSPA/DSA motorcycle instructor, I can tell you this could very well be a POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS idea... As... If a teen learner takes and passes CBT on a 'twist n go' type small bike and then buys a geared bike, this COULD then end up with a situation where said rider could end up misjudging gears/getting somewhat confused in the actuation of gears whilst in traffic. I've seen it happen already in the 35 odd years of my riding, with stalls, accidental wheelies (a couple of drag and flips had from said miscalculations). And BEFORE anyone says "It's fine, just practice in a car park somewhere", think on, NOT everyone is mechanically minded, everyone has varying levels of skill when it comes to dealing with multiple things at once, add speed and dangerous other vehicle owners on the road, and embarrassment/stress and panic can lead to injury, or worse.
NOT everyone can just learn to use a scooter and within 10 minutes in a quiet area confidently handle gearing, throttle, clutch & brakes all the while 4 wheel users 'Do what they do' around you...
So, I believe, NO, if the Govt are going to phase out internal combustion engine bikes, they do it all together, ALL CC's all together...

[pandacopyright]

Regarding nuclear power ... people need to go look at France. If I'm not mistaken, over 70% of their electricity is made via nuclear reactors.

[stevendemunster]

Nice presentation but only about the production. You have to look at the bigger picture. Battery electric is a environmental nightmare.
We have a network of pipelines and petrol stations that we can keep using for synthetic fuels.
No mining needed for lithium or other scarce metals.
Batteries have a lifespan of only 10-15 years (at best!), are extremely expensive to replace and are a nightmare to recycle.
Emission of small dust particles from tyres and brakes (wear and tear) is far worse because of the weight of BEV's.
Loading batteries with a kabel for hours is a step back in time.
You need a very reliable electricity grid that can produce 50 times more than today and even now we have blackouts in winter time.
The oil we already used for decades in our engines (efficiency ICE = 30%) has also to be drilled and refined with loss of efficiency but it has given us prosperity, freedom to travel, etc. so synthentic fuels will be a valuable solution.
An electric world with batteries is not a fairy tale but a horror story for the planet.

[gordonmcqueen]

Totally agree with the science and the facts and figures. In a logical world I think you are spot on but you have not taken greed in to consideration. Oil and Gas companies stand to lose a fortune and so they will try and push the synthetic fuels. Instead of costly drilling rigs and pipelines they can build a factory to produce the synthetic crude and continue with their refining plants and distribution chains. This would be more acceptable to the general public as they do not need to change anything.. So I think oil companies will prevail and stupidly we will go for minimum efficiency and continue to generate pollution in densely populated areas from our cars rather from a battery plant .

[TehPurp]

E-fuel, that sounds like an energy drink, or something one of them only whatever girls sells as branded bath water.

[PaulGSXR]

It's nice to see others like yourself with a little logical thinking when it comes to EV's.

"Oh but we don't have the infrastructure for everyone to have an electric vehicle and the grid cant handle it"

Of course we don't at the moment! But we're not all going to go out tomorrow and buy an electric vehicle are we! The number of electric vehicles on the road will slowly increase and along with that, the number of charging points will slowly increase, like with all new buildings being built with charging points, charging points being added to existing buildings and car parks, the grid will be slowly upgraded to handle the steady increase in demand.

People just don't like change, people also just love to moan, try and pick holes in things and just generally have a negative attitude and it drives me mad because that is holding us back from future innovation that will allow us to repair the environmental damage we are responsible for.

[stanleysimmonsreactions]

Something people always seem to leave out when speaking about why e-fuels aren't a viable option is the fact that EVs first off isn't clean themselves. Also how much would it cost to transition our entire infrastructure to support EVs? That means replacing the 140k+ gas stations with charging stations etc. You're talking about trillions of dollars over decades of time. Not to mention that would also mean dumping the current 1.6 billion ICE vehicles on the road. What do you plan to do with them? How about countries like the many places in Africa or India that can't afford to transition to EVs. That defeats the purpose if that many people will still be using ICE cars while we in American and first-world countries use EVs. It makes more sense imo to spend money to develop e-fules! We already have the current infrastructure to support a worldwide transition. If we had people investing in this I'm sure it would become more efficient and cheaper to produce just like EVs did over the last 10 years.

[swss]

As always, well done Spicy! Well explained

[quinnkirlew]

Agreed. It's all an efficiency game. The fewer transitions of power you can have the better. Along these lines, electric motors also make much more sense as drivers to utilize electricity because rotation is inherent in their design, whereas ICEs are trying to convert explosive expansion into rotation. Synth fuels will definitely still have applications in planes however, both due to their energy density as compared to batteries, as well as their explosive thrust being perfectly suited to propelling a plane through the air.

[cisium]

There is no one answer. Anyone who thinks there is one answer is not asking enough questions. No sensible person would suggest we all eat the same food or live in the same dwellings. But when the topic is energy, the zealots put their spokes in and start making blanket declarations: "tomorrow we will use X." It's nonsense.

[shaunharrison]

Like batteries, the e-fuels refinement efficiencies and technology will improve. Electric vehicles still have the problem that the entire infrastructure has to change dramatically to make use of them. Our charging point system is woeful because car manufacturers are too busy eco box ticking by making different model cars etc when they should be concentrating on the infrastructure. It needs to be a lot of different technologies that will keep us moving.

[oscorpiono]

An update, the thing is now they have discovered a way to extract Co2 from seawater, the by-product being Hydrogen, 2 of the key ingredients for synthetic fuels, this would make the production of synthetic fuels a lot more efficient.

it is estimated that Co2 could be extracted from seawater in the billions of tonnes per year !

Battery cars are not without their environmental issues, politicians only see what they want to see, they don't want to talk about the environmental issues caused by the production of lithium batteries and anyone who highlights such disturbing facts are accused of spreading misinformation.

Germany, France and Poland have rejected the ICE ban in 2035, it isn't happening folks.

[FlyingFun.]

My m8 is into classic porches and we had this discussion ( I am thinking electric is the future) about cost and availability of petrol in the future, he is simply banking on e fuels to keep these lovely old cars going,
I'm thinking there will be a place for it in really nice old classics but the cost of driving them will.be prohibitive.

[tocaracer]

after actually watching the full video, I agree that BEV's are just so much more efficient. The co2 must also be captured from the atmosphere. and co2 capture tech has already been tried and failed. I advocate highly for nuclear power. I hate the fact that NZ is being such a wus about it as well as many other countries. I like your idea of having synthetic fuel production plants in order to balance the grid when, excess power from wind and solar (intermittent renewable sources) is created. I hate when I see the windmill brakes are put on, because they are generating too much electricity.

[gregc]

One thing where I will say synth fuels trump electric is their ability to, no matter how inefficiently (which doesn't matter as far as the environment is concerned if you live in a country with green grid power) the ability to turn almost every existing vehicle on the road into a carbon neutral vehicle and I think that would be a much welcome stop gap between now and becoming fully electric.

[SAINLESS]

If synthetic fuel isn't really going to be remotely viable until 2050 I can see it still having a use. They will no-doubt eventually ban the sale of traditional fossil fuels as well some point after all the new production vehicles become electric or whatever other alternatives show up.
The argument for synthetic at that point is just for keeping those legacy vehicles running, presumably the synthetic fuels can be tuned to any octane as they are coming from a new crude oil analog, and further wouldn't need to have any of the corrosive additives to mitigate an already carbon neutral fuel so even vehicles considered classics today could be maintained long into the future, albeit at the cost of efficiency in production.

[jandjemal]

and also another point I want to point to the video maker of this channel You don't work for these big companies so you would have no idea how they are Making their synthetic fuels and what Breakthroughs they are able to achieve So you can't turn around and say with synthetic fuels you will have power loss when you don't even work for these companies and see the progress that they are making . electric cars have their purpose but not a lot of people like them or want them .