I tried Swift and came out a different person

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[tianned]

1:47:50 swift cant find the CLITERAL which is quite relatable

[alexitosworld]

Honestly, as somebody quite involved with Swift, I have to thank you for this stream! It was great, very good feedback. I hope the community takes this opportunity to fix and improve things. Swift is OSS so I'm sure we can make documentation and tooling better to get the Raylib speedrun down to a more reasonable time! ❤

[mntylf]

Imagine multiple year experienced swift developers just getting to know about the existence of swiftc after that video

[Fakheet]

Named parameters in functions are very handy because you usually can tell at a glance what the function uses those parameters for without having to look inside the function or into documentation

Also inclusion of classes in pretty much non negotiable because Swift has to interop with Objective-C and Apple's SDKs written in objc

[neqkk]

It's interesting to hear Chris Lattner talking today about Swift and about all the regrets he has. (For instance in a recent conversation with the creator of Roc) Of course, he has a new language to plug (Mojo)

[julkiewicz]

to ship a binary written in Swift you're supposed to wrap it in a docker container 😆

[Mth-Ryan]

Swift:
- Good language
- Trash toolchain
- Diabolic company behind

[rogo]

You know it's gonna be fun when byte translator compressed weights more than the entire linux kernel.

[kala-telo]

This is not even LLVM wrapper, it's clang wrapper 😭

[owlmostdead]

Containers are nice because we fucked up how installing software works, I want my system to stay virgin so I never end up with a weird/broken OS.

[bayzed]

"I ain't using a freaking Docker container for a byte translator" Holy Based

[Cmanorange]

i see the vision. make the language as hard as possible to get running on your machine so you instantly get sunk cost fallacy so now you have to finish the project in swift. bravo tim

[chouyangv]

Compilers in Docker containers are great because now we can switch to any version at any time. We can also collaborate with the exact same setup through our teams, and it improves CI/CD pipelines a lot. that's why.

[Taimoorabdullah]

I think the reason it has bad documentation for c interop is because Apple intends for people to use it in their ecosystem (xcode) which handles the language bridging by itself and provides an easier interface. Btw i think you missed the function param labeling, you looked at 'x:' and '_ x:', but it also does 'posX x:' kind of stuff too, it has its usecases. Also the use case for function param labels e.g. 'x:' that i used back when i did iOS dev was that it lets you overload functions, e.g. color(hex: string), color(r: int, g: int, b: int), color(r: int, g: int, b: int, a: int) etc.

[caiocouto]

well, before I was prejudiced with swift, now I'm just judicied

[Argoon]

That last part made swift extremely better than C3 to interfacing with C!!? I hate Apple and its culture but that interfacing with C was awesome.
I love that you don't need to rename C functions and not do that extern bs, but call them directly, like it should be.
Please for the love of God, C3 compiler developers, you should have a better C interface than swift, that language is not even trying to be "a better C" you guys are!
So be a better C by all means but make working with old C libraries a breeze!

[BachenBenno]

It is quite trivial, that a language designed for apple products is dynamically linked when it is meant to run on a finite set of devices probably coming with the libraries necessary to run Hello World

[thunderstein]

the first 5 minutes are a perfect example of swift.

[JLarky]

9:45 now he gets why Linux version of Swift is distributed as docker, because you need the whole 1gb image to run your hello world server

[MagpieMcGraw]

One reason why I got into Odin way back in 2018 was because I downloaded the compiler and it just worked. I also tried Zig around that time and it gave me some LLVM error instead of an executable.