P LINE AND T LINE COMPARISON BROMPTON FOLDING BIKES

****Edit: the P-Line featured in the video is .5 lbs heavier. I incorrectly said lighter.****

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(((TIME TABLE)))
0:00 Opening
0:33 Features of the P Line
2:47 P Line Mods
3:49 Weighing P Line
4:19 T&P Comparison
6:21 Ending
7:00 Bonus Weighing T Line

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[moniqueviau]

I have the P-Line and I won’t put more money to get the T-Line. I prefer to upgrade my lovely P. And I love to follow you and your great advise.

[benjaminvillasenor]

I've noticed on all this YT videos how they mention capabilities, performances of bikes, hills vs flat roads, etc.. without ever considering fitness level
I own the P- line. I am 5"7, 170 lbs physically fit. I can go asphalt mountain riding on very steep grades without much of a struggle on lightest gear. The more I ride in my Brompton, the more I like if. It's a beauty.

[franciscosantana]

Hey! I enjoy watching all your videos. I love it when you do comparisons. I was wondering if you could do a comparison between an old Superlight vs a P line. Thanks!

[angeldelromero]

Heavier bikes do stronger riders😊 Thank you for your videos.

[church]

Imho there were also differences that T-line in folding joints had inserts that would wear, while P-line probably like lower classes, will need to use larger diameter axles to compensate worn wear, as one cannot fix worn material from frame.
There might be also limitations with aftermarket parts, which are compatible with which, due those changed folding joints. For example, i'm not sure generic aftermaket steering post will be compatible with T-line, and not all aftermarket vendors will make another variant for very small niche (due cost & production volume) of their products. One may argue though, that there is less need to upgrade/change on T-line, as stock parts are light enough. Tuning done, but "by factory".

[harrypressman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you'd mentioned that the chainring is carbon. I believe that only the chain crank arms are carbon and the ring itself is alloy.
Many have made the same claim that the whole front crank assembly is completely carbon.

[domingomark]

Not Brompton related but I dig your eyeglasses. Where did you get those?

[michaelskinner]

Your spec are fucking cool! I'm going to subscribe just because of them!

[sandydennylives]

I feel the P and T are trying to ape a road bike. Just got a standard C line 2 speed with a 54 chain ring and it's plenty fast enough to occupy the middle ground between my rain day city bike and racer. Will upgrade the rear gear mech at some point but that will be it. Light enough to carry and will do all my dry day work commutes and a little bit more, and I prefer not to fold it. The P and T are a little more expensive than my road bike as well, but their nice all the same.

[atriantafy]

Hi, thanks for the excellent review. At 4.16, I don't understand how after the weight reduction modifications, the resulting weight (22.3lbs) is actually higher than the original P Line weight (around 21.2 lbs) ?

[earlbee]

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thanks for sharing,
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[hsuzack]

Thanks a lot for the sharing. I am going to order my new P-Line!

[finncarlbomholtsrensen]

My 2019 SuperlightM6LXBrompton, with mudguards, is presently down to 9, 35 kilo and still with ways to make it even lighter (Carbon handlebar + minor parts which I hope will give 0, 35 - 0, 50 kilo?). And as a 6"+, 100 kilo man I may find ways to reduce our combined weight!

[richmck]

Great review of the P Line. I have one on order now as i speak, for Jan 2023. Do those pedals come as standard? They look pretty cold to remove.

You mentioned silver as the color. It is actually storm grey. I ordered a Black version to go with my sub 11kilo 6 speed Black Edition. I tweaked it to make it lighter! Now my wife uses it so I will use the P Line from January. Will be watching your great videos to see what you do.
Have a great family day sir!

[ngchiwo]

I also bought the same grips from Brooks and the plastic material feels much harder than the Ergon ergonomic grips. The Brooks grips look nice but I prefer the Ergon grips more.

[christmleung]

Can I ask the brand name of the roller wheel accessory that you added to the BACK mudguard and the eazy wheels. They looks strong and practical. Thanks! Your video are all great

[colinhoward]

Great video as ever, but I still prefer my original 6spd Super Light - I think the gearing will make up for the weight for anyone relatively fit :) I might get some of the wheels from the P-Line though to put on it though!

[NerdsWorldNYC]

I have longboards too....after watching this I need to get a rack for them.😅😅

[danieladams]

Hi, really cool video thanks. I'm going to buy a P line urban Brompton next year, would you say the four speeds are enough and make for a comfortable ride please?

[MisterSal]

My folding 16 inch 305 wheel bike weights unbelievably the same as your Brompton T line with aluminum and carbon fiber components no kidding.