Twelve peers, number trouble and Xmas faux pas | James O’Brien - The Whole Show

This is a catch-up version of James O'Brien's live, daily show on LBC Radio from the 10th of December 2024

00:00 - Do we really need juries?
50:59 - What impact has having dyscalculia had on you?
01:40:50 - One in four brits 'comfortable' asking Christmas Day guest to 02:05:22 - Journalists begin second strike over proposed deal to sell the observer to Tortoise media - Carole Cadwalladr, Journalist for the Guardian 02:19:25 - Full Disclosure with Shaun Keaveny

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[megannehover]

I had an aunt who never passed a math test in her life - couldn't do math at all. But she played piano and danced, got a first in philosophy, taught English, was head of a large girl's school, worked as a magistrate, became a pillar of the community. She was a brilliant organizer. Today she would never have got a job at all, without math.

[MrEmpireBuilder]

I began listening being biased against juries. But your discussion has changed my mind.
Amazing how discussion can change opinions.
Thank you, kind Sir.

[robinhood]

I have flip flopped a couple of times listening to this about juries. My final position is that we should keep the judicial system rooted in the common people. Thank you to the caller who first made that statement, cause i was leaning the other way till that moment .

[GloriaHoulihan]

The right to trial by jury is a basic right of a safeguard of freedom from an arbitrary government.

[andrewstevenson]

1 hour 1 minute: "What do you call those people who hang out with musicians?" "Drummers." 🙂

[andrewstevenson]

I've been chosen for jury service a couple of times. I'd like to do it. But once it was the first day of a new job, and the other time I had mobility issues. But... having heard the experiences of other people, I'd rather leave it to the experts. AKA judges and lawyers.

[midnightrider]

I consider myself a reasonably balanced, mature person who can look at things objectively, yet I don't think I have any place to be a juror making decisions that massively affect others.

[richardgilbert]

I've been on Jury duty twice, a whole week on both occasions of absolute boredom . Both times we the jury were instructed by the court clerk not to discuss the case, not just with family and friends but also each other until we deliberate the defendants innocence or guilt. By lunch on the first day some were already discussing the case. And by the third day had already made up their minds ! You are also provided with s note pad and pen for taking notes. I filled the whole pad snd more on notes on evidence given. After a week or more of hearing evidence you need to reference information when deliberating, I was one of three who took notes. It was an absolute shambles in the jury room. Also the jurrror carry prejudices, politics and religion with them Are juries actually impartial ? In Scottish law we have three verdicts. guilty, not guilty and not proven. Not proven essentially means neither the prosecution or the defence has convinced the majority of the jury of the defendant's guilt or innocence. Not an ideal outcome for potentially the vici of a crime if there was one. Or in the defendant's case they are neither guilty or innocent. If further evidence comes to light the defendant can be re arrested and summoned to court again. All sounds so simple until you take part in a jury !

[kidShibuya]

Hmm.. Interesting discussion on numbers. I have always struggled with math and literally walked out of a math class in high school and never returned, never finished school. I also naturally find myself visualizing objects in my head and doing math by cutting them up or visually measuring them. However I did manage to complete university via an adult entry pathway and managed to get credits in my mandatory math classes after much study. I think my form of the condition is mild but its not a barrier to anything. I have gone on to be a great programmer who can do anything, well just about anything, complex equations in 3D space still perplex me and literally give me a headache but you can teach yourself to understand a decent amount of math, even if you need to do it in your own way.

[alanandjess]

Having served on a jury I would not liked to of been judged by it. There was certainly At least 2 to 3 people on it with very limited intelligence and obvious bias. Being judged by all and sundry is not justice.

[ericsouthward]

How about getting rid of democracy as well.

[charlesmclaughlin]

We had Diplock Courts (no jury) during the Troubles in the 70s.

[fumbleBumble]

if you don't want people to put additional salt and pepper in the food then don't put the salt and pepper on the table in the first place?

[tukicat]

Totally agree about juries, many years ago I was on a jury for break in, and assault, cut and dried, but some of the jurors still questioned it.. I think a panel, still with lawyers would be more efficient and fair.

[AlanLonghurst]

"season to taste" means to season it how *you* like it. If I know that the person who cooked the food likes it with less salt, then it is reasonable for me to automatically add more salt to season to my taste.

[PleiadesImprezaTAWD-ll]

Simon in Surrey @13:30 I think motoring offences stand alone in a lot of ways. He mentioned that lots of people drive and can see themselves making the same "mistake" (I'd call it wreckless negligence, but lots will see it as a mistake).
We have a car-centric society and as a society accept quite a large number of deaths on our roads as a price for the freedom to drive everywhere.
I'd also contest James's use of petrolheads, its as much your ordinary driver who probably isn't the most competent and can see themselves making a similar mistake.

[nanslife]

Here in Australia when I went to my sisters, we have moved away now, we would all contribute so the expense is not carried by the host. One would provide the salads and bread rolls, one would provide the hams, or an chickens and one would providevtge seafood and deserts.

[robinwallace]

My kids keep saying they use duck/goose fat for roast potatoes … not at my house I’ve been a vegetarian for 50 years🤬🤬🤬
We usually host but not this year😉

[chantalhughes]

When the program is this interesting they should not take news break, ads and be longer because so many intelligent conversation are being cut short, rushed or didn't get on...

[anderxale]

Some day... James against Piers Morgan