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The Fed to the Rescue (w/ Luke Gromen)

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Luke Gromen, founder and president of Forest for the Trees, sees an investment opportunity in rising U.S. government deficits. He believes the Fed will be forced to step in with interest rate cuts and quantitative easing, and that this will drive the investment cycle over the medium term. He warns, however, that if the Fed abrogates its duty in the Treasury market as a buyer of last resort, the implications would be profound. Filmed on June 3, 2019 in New York.
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The Fed to the Rescue (w/ Luke Gromen)
Transcript:
ED HARRISON: Welcome to Investment Ideas. I'm your host, Ed Harrison. Today, we are talking to Luke
Gromen of FFTT.
The Fed is about to do some very funky things with interest rates going forward. Luke tells us what he
believes is going to happen later this year and how you should be positioned in terms of your investments
over the next six to 24 months as a result.
Luke Gromen, it's great to have you here back on Real Vision. And I'm looking forward to talking to you
about what's going on in the economy- both the real economy and also in the markets, especially because
of some of the volatility that we've been seeing. We spoke a little bit earlier before the interview and you
were saying that this is a great opportunity for the Fed to complete a pivot. Tell me- before we go into what
that pivot is going to be, what your investment idea is, given the outlook and why that is.
LUKE GROMEN: Yeah, the bottom line for my investment outlook is I think you want to be long risk with
a weaker dollar coming, weaker than expected. And I think long risk with a pivot towards value versus
growth pivot towards emerging markets versus US and we also like gold, Bitcoin as well.
ED HARRISON: We've had some guests- actually, we had one guest very specifically on the show who
had a somewhat bullish call on risk assets the way that you did. But I think his reasoning was probably a
lot different than your reasoning. Where are you coming from in terms of why you think this is the move to
take?
LUKE GROMEN: So, where we're coming from is, is we're seeing a number of things play out in markets
that are really the culmination of a number of factors we've been watching and writing about over the past
five years. And so, if we take a step back, about five years ago, global central bank stopped buying treasury
bonds, or stopped adding to their treasury bond portfolios on net. And what this ultimately did is forced the
global private sector to begin financing the US government. And ironically, you would think that would be
bad for the dollar. But what it actually started to do was squeeze out global dollar markets at that point.
About Investment Ideas:
In "Investment Ideas," Real Vision seeks out the market's best medium- and longer-term opportunities. The show is designed to provide actionable takeaways for investors with longer time horizons.
About Real Vision™:
Real Vision™ is the destination for the world’s most successful investors to share their thoughts about what’s happening in today's markets. Think: TED Talks for Finance. On Real Vision™ you get exclusive access to watch the most successful investors, hedge fund managers and traders who share their frank and in-depth investment insights with no agenda, hype or bias. Make smart investment decisions and grow your portfolio with original content brought to you by the biggest names in finance, who get to say what they really think on Real Vision™.
Connect with Real Vision™ Online:
The Fed to the Rescue (w/ Luke Gromen)
Transcript:
ED HARRISON: Welcome to Investment Ideas. I'm your host, Ed Harrison. Today, we are talking to Luke
Gromen of FFTT.
The Fed is about to do some very funky things with interest rates going forward. Luke tells us what he
believes is going to happen later this year and how you should be positioned in terms of your investments
over the next six to 24 months as a result.
Luke Gromen, it's great to have you here back on Real Vision. And I'm looking forward to talking to you
about what's going on in the economy- both the real economy and also in the markets, especially because
of some of the volatility that we've been seeing. We spoke a little bit earlier before the interview and you
were saying that this is a great opportunity for the Fed to complete a pivot. Tell me- before we go into what
that pivot is going to be, what your investment idea is, given the outlook and why that is.
LUKE GROMEN: Yeah, the bottom line for my investment outlook is I think you want to be long risk with
a weaker dollar coming, weaker than expected. And I think long risk with a pivot towards value versus
growth pivot towards emerging markets versus US and we also like gold, Bitcoin as well.
ED HARRISON: We've had some guests- actually, we had one guest very specifically on the show who
had a somewhat bullish call on risk assets the way that you did. But I think his reasoning was probably a
lot different than your reasoning. Where are you coming from in terms of why you think this is the move to
take?
LUKE GROMEN: So, where we're coming from is, is we're seeing a number of things play out in markets
that are really the culmination of a number of factors we've been watching and writing about over the past
five years. And so, if we take a step back, about five years ago, global central bank stopped buying treasury
bonds, or stopped adding to their treasury bond portfolios on net. And what this ultimately did is forced the
global private sector to begin financing the US government. And ironically, you would think that would be
bad for the dollar. But what it actually started to do was squeeze out global dollar markets at that point.
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