Why is Vivziepop's Artstyle Hated So Much?

Recently there’s been a surge in discussion surrounding vivziepop and her artstyle. There were some videos discussing this topic but they were made 4-5 years ago. I’ve made many videos discussing vivzie’s shows from the oldest to her newest, but one aspect i haven’t touched on is her art style. So i think now is a good time to discuss this topic in a positive manner and enable some discussion on the subject. In this video i’ll analyze vivzie’s artstyle, highlight some criticisms, and then give some potential ideas on how they can be resolved.

#vivziepop #helluvaboss #hazbinhotel

Video Chapters:

00:00 Intro
00:58 Vivzie's style
03:37 Colour Palettes
05:17 Character Design
08:00 Anatomy, Complexity and Backgrounds
09:51 My thoughts
11:22 End Screen

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[Javakatt]

I think the complaint about characters being too skinny is dumb, MANY other shows have fully thin casts and no one bats an eye. Ppl just want reasons to hate on Viv, it’s sad. I love her character designs, they’re so fun and expressive!

[corvusmonedula]

My only problem with her style is that it's difficult to pick out one character in a crowd of people. If their thin arms, legs or other appendages overlap it's kinda hard to see to which body it belongs

[honeymuffinz]

Her artstyle is one of my biggest inspirations. I hate seeing people hate on it, it’s so unique and expressive!

[voldor]

The Artstyle is litteraly one of the reason I'm watching Vivzie's series. It's so much different to what we used to see.. like animes, cartoons whatever. It's unique and that's why I love it

[NerdMiGerd]

I think the big thing about her artstyle is how overcomplicated and all around animator-unfriendly it is, it's an incredibly valid critique of her work but people take it way too far and project those hangups onto herself and the staff in a very unhealthy manner. It's like with every other aspect of her work worth critiquing, by turning them into personal attacks on the creator all you're doing is guaranteeing she won't be able to take criticism to heart, regardless of its legitimacy, and because of that will never learn or grow from them and that genuinely sucks.

[spoopyghost]

As an animator, I can very much understand disliking the designs of the characters. Some just have so many little details, and it can be exhausting to add them to every frame 😅 But! To other animators, it can be seen as a great challenge.
I really love Viv's style. I would personally just never animate it myself. Might drive myself bananas

[katiebonser]

I don't like people hating Vivzie's art style and I'm not among those people who hate her art, I love it and it's unique.

[cherry.poison.]

This is literally her PERSONAL artstyle, she's not some commercial company to make it appealing to just everyone or as diverse as possible, EVERYONE SHOULD LEAVE HER ALONE.

[RequiemForRavenholm]

most of it is just "oh she doesnt draw fat people!! fatphobic!!!" or "eww it reeks of tumblr"

[bardiir]

The red in red color palette of hazbin is one of the things that absolutely draws me into the feeling of hell. Everything is lit up by brimstone anyway there, why have a diverse color palette. I think the critics are mostly envious about the unique art style. I stumbled upon hazbin without knowing it’s from vivziepop and instantly was reminded of the Kesha mv from years back I’ve seen like 2-3 times on YouTube back years ago. And after a few seconds of googling I had the connection established that it’s indeed the same artists creation, the art style is just THAT unique and strong.

[rabbitlove]

For Hazbin Hotel's use of reds really sets the scene for me, I don't feel that it needs to be changed personally, and I would rather they weren't. Everything being surrounded in a red hue really pushes the feeling that they are in hell, on the level of the sinners, the constant discourse, just really brings it all together. I always felt this was intentional and I liked it.

[spacesoarer]

Her art style is so beautiful and unique. It's very refreshing to have adult animated shows with stylistic animation for once, instead of another Family Guy clone. Viv's animation really speaks to me a lot.

[sidsthesid]

I’d like to say something towards the criticism about the backgrounds. I have worked 5 years in the animation industry on Layout/BG so I think I have a good idea what is causing these issues. First off backgrounds in animation are typically separated into two departments, Layout (who do the set up, fix the boards to make sense, line art, sep layers, draw in props, character placement ect) and BG Paint (who do the colours, shading, and flatten ect) sometimes shows will combine the departments. It’s not unheard of but it is generally not a good idea unless you give artists a really low quota cause it is A LOT of work. Vivs team on Helluvah makes them do both which can lead to things being rushed if time is short or they have freelancers who get paid by pice and can’t live off 5 BG’s worth of cash a week. Also as for inconsistency’s between shots. I learned Viv has had to not show Animatics in full to the art team to avoid leaks. Totally understandable but also a really bad idea for art quality especially in layout. You need to see a full sequence to get an idea of where characters stand and act in the room, do they interact with an object, what is the point of the scene so it can be staged to compliment it, hooking up areas in the room to be consistent sizes and distances. When you split up these scenes between artists it’s inevitable that they will become wonky. And finally in my humble hot take. Vivs BG style is To complicated to be mass produced. Thank goodness the latest episode got help from bento cause Asmodious’s bedroom??? An ellipse are you kidding me??? The line mialage in this show is so so high and everything has a pattern. And they use a lot of unnecessary wide shots that just make so much extra work for the department. Don’t get me long it can show off how beautiful they are! But it can also show off when it’s rushed. Layout isn’t just drawing. It’s getting perspective correct, it’s checking character sizes for consistency, it’s fixing boards that were made before locations were approved that don’t make sense anymore, it’s setting up cam moves. Layout and BG artists are wicked talents at replicating style, but each step is so important and I think the nature of YouTube just brings out the worst in rushing artists. Even in TADC a lot of shots have weird staging where the characters are teleporting everywhere or skits don’t hook up. I think honestly people can have their opinions and criticisms but we need to be more mindful it’s often not reflective on the ability of the art team. Not a dig at y’all but just the Hate mob nit picking in general. One of the things I remember from Anim college was my professor bringing up the magic school bus reboot. This is someone’s job, they need money to live like the rest of us and it’s not super helpful and kind to be nasty about a product one a harsh deadline or high demanding show, when you see a show that looks rough just keep that in mind. All the love to artists and Hazbin/Helluvah content creators that use their platforms to lift eachother up

[martistszz]

5:39 by this image alone you can see that there are no copy-paste kind of body, they all might be on the thinner side (except for Mitzy who’s a plus size character), but they all have an unique body shape, which is what makes them stand out. While i can agree the color palette doesn’t help much on making them stand out from the backgrounds, their body shapes gives a hint of their personality.
Even Charlie’s and Vaggie’s bodies has that need variation to be able to know who is who, Giving Vaggie a pear shape with wider hips and thin legs while Charlie has more of a straight body with little variation from her hips to her chest
Im aware the hair of some characters were erased but since the focus point here is their bodies and not their full silhouettes we can give it a pass😅 and as you said, if you look beyond the main characters, there are indeed a wide variety of bodies, the summer episode is a good example. Besides, you can’t compare her art of now from the art from years ago, as if you can’t get some improvement as time passed by

[rainbowtoyfunrandomess]

I don't see the problem with Vivziepop's artwork. I love her artwork so much, she really brought the characters to life with her artwork! Vivziepop has a lot of great talents especially with creating her shows and making her artwork of the characters.👍

[gailasprey]

Viv is not perfect. Her art is not perfect. But it is expressive, made with love, unique and fun. You damn well will recognise that is Vivzie’s which I find to be a strength. She has flaws but she’s not deserving of all the shit she gets. Shes being harassed by so many people and I hate that. Leave her alone is what I say to people like that.

[KanuKanu]

Personally, I think people are just hating to just to hate.

[corvid_pest]

My personal style is the complete opposite of Vizies style, but from an artistic standpoint, her style is really fluid and animatic, even in static images. It's technically clever and she uses a lot of effects that helps her characters to shine. I believe that it's mainly a case of "get popular, get hate (and criticism)". People just like to complain about everything without even taking in consideration that some creators/artists don't really care if people dislike their art style/character designs. Life is too short to give into people all the time. If Vivzie likes her style and designs that's 100% valid, even if it's a show now. She's fully in her right to utilize her art style!

[pohakushiba]

you're one of the few creators who've given criticism in good faith. i still admire her work and her art style. doesn't mean i don't see obvious flaws in her productions that need polishing up on. we need more calm and mature creators like you to help guide creators like vivziepop into the direction of success

[amjthe_paleosquare]

I read Zoophobia years ago back in school, but I'm very new to the Viv fandom. I love that her style is so unique compared to most animated media I've seen in the recent years. It pops out, it's colorful and fluid, it isn't afraid of pushing the boundaries of how the characters can move.
Yeah, sometimes scenes move so fast that it's hard to follow what's going on, but the character designs bring me joy. And honestly, no company is perfect, especially an indie company like hers.