Rory Stewart: “We’re Living in a World of Fairy Tales”

Rory Stewart is a British academic, broadcaster, and former diplomat and politician. 💥Join us on our Journey to 1 Million Subscribers💥
He served as a Conservative Member of Parliament for Penrith and The Border from 2010 to 2019 and was a junior minister in four government departments from 2015 to 2019, holding the posts of Minister for the Environment, Minister of State for International Development, Minister of State for Africa, and Minister of State for Prisons. He ultimately joined the Cabinet and National Security Council as Secretary of State for International Development. He resigned from the Conservative Party in October 2019. His memoir Politics on the Edge (published in the US as How Not to Be a Politician) was a best-seller. In March 2022, Stewart and Alastair Campbell launched The Rest Is Politics podcast, which tops politics podcast ratings in the UK most weeks.

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00:00 Trailer
00:48 What is conservatism?
03:00 The damage done by Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Brexit
04:42 Our big problems are structural not due to incompetence
08:50 Why the Tories failed on housing
17:22 I’m worried the Conservatives will lurch in the direction of Reform
19:28 I’ve got big problems with Rishi Sunak
21:06 SPONSOR: Shopify
22:23 What the Conservative Party needs to do
25:03 The inefficiency of the Civil Service
28:09 The fairy story of ‘we shouldn’t have to choose’
32:42 The fairy story of ‘the market solves everything’
34:33 The dangers of populism
38:43 Aren’t people right to have an issue with uncontrolled immigration?
45:44 We should be careful not to ‘move fast and break things’
47:17 We’ve seen the bad results of populism
51:20 The system is screwed
52:53 Keir Starmer doesn’t even know what a woman is!

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CHAPTERS👇
00:00 Trailer
00:48 What is conservatism?
03:00 The damage done by Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Brexit
04:42 Our big problems are structural not due to incompetence
08:50 Why the Tories failed on housing
17:22 I’m worried the Conservatives will lurch in the direction of Reform
19:28 I’ve got big problems with Rishi Sunak
21:06 SPONSOR: Shopify
22:23 What the Conservative Party needs to do
25:03 The inefficiency of the Civil Service
28:09 The fairy story of ‘we shouldn’t have to choose’
32:42 The fairy story of ‘the market solves everything’
34:33 The dangers of populism
38:43 Aren’t people right to have an issue with uncontrolled immigration?
45:44 We should be careful not to ‘move fast and break things’
47:17 We’ve seen the bad results of populism
51:20 The system is screwed
52:53 Keir Starmer doesn’t even know what a woman is!
54:16 What’s the one thing we’re not talking about?

[aquious]

The political class never suffers the consequences of their luxury beliefs: neoliberal globalism, open borders, etc.

[petegiant]

The number of immigrants in such a short space of time with no infrastructure to support them should be viewed as a crime against citizens.

[LBBspock]

As an American I can tell you that once a government entitlement or agency is created on this side of the pond, it's nearly impossible to ever dismantle!

[Notsram]

I'm glad you had a voice on the show to talk, even if most of your audience don't agree with their ideas.
It's good to get a little exposure to that from time to time.

[djgeneralbounce]

I have to respect the lads for inviting Rory on when they know full well a massive chunk of their viewers already strongly dislike him at the very least. We have tons of podcasters across the political spectrum that only ever speak to people that only speak to people who they and their audience align with, so it's great that the Trig lads aren't entirely captured by their audience. That said, it's clear from the expressions on their faces that they're far from impressed by what he had to say.

[Tukulti-Ninurta]

Brilliant explanation by Rory Stewart of why no politician can do anything ever.

[andrejota]

One thing I will say is that Rory is describing the problem with how government is run. You can't get anything done at all. Imagine if Gov had the sole job of developing mobile phones we would still be carrying those giant dial bricks.

[nathanielmaisey]

This was the best interview of Rory I’ve seen, and one of the best on Triggernometry - a real conversation between two opposing viewpoints

[thegrumpygeordie]

I've always liked Rory Stewart. I read his Politics on the Edge book and then basically kept going. I may be wrong of course but he's always struck me as honest and clever. I know that might fetch me some hate looking at some other comments but hey ho.

I was quite excited to see the lads were interviewing him as I know that they wouldn't let him off easily, I think a combative interview is good rather someone who is just giving you a platform.

They did this but I was impressed, as always, while they called him out when they disagreed, they didn't interrupt him or disagree with him just to be awkward.

Very good interview

[TheGloriousRestoration]

This is ridiculous.

He is so concerned about the 'values' of certain politicians that he is willing to go from Tory to Green. And yet he also tells us it doesn't matter who is in power because they can't do anything anyway. This is totally illogical.

What then is his real concern? To preserve the culture and cohesion, not of the country as a whole, but of the elite class of which he is himself a member.

This is the only explanation I can see for his being so down on Johnson, Farage etc. despite making all manner of excuses as to why governments can't do what we want them to do.

People like this guy are the real roadblock to progress.

[abigailslade]

Rory Stewart having the gall to tell the people they live in a fairy tale world is peak blindness.

[dello]

Quite the contrast between:

1. the video's demonstration of how to conduct a nuanced respectful and thoughtful conversation on a range of topics affecting Britain today.

And

2. the 5 pints later at the local Wetherspoon's 'Rory is a twat' style posts in the comments section.

[wonderlabs_AI]

Rory's idea of accepting 0.5% of the UK population in asylum seekers works out as 350K people taken in each year.

[JillessJack]

Why I'm not popular, by Rory Stewart.

[aquious]

There is no one in power that believes in the ability of their ideas to improve citizens' lives. Their only goal is increasing and extending their personal wealth and power.

[FarObserver]

Rory doesn't realise he isn't conservative. I think it will be quite shocking to him when he figures this out about himself.

[DavidSmith-modk]

It's not about LONDON it's about the COUNTRY. I can't listen anymore.

[thelimey]

He is talking about agreeing to take 350, 000 immigrants *EVERY* year - he’s nuts !

[PeterPanMan]

As an American, I like this guy on an individual level, especially since I read his excellent and very insightful book on Afghanistan. BUT...everything he says in this interview is just a lot of vague flummery! I really have no idea what concrete solutions he has for the UK housing crisis or the NHS. He sounds like a well-spoken 17 year-old telling us how to make the world a better place in which to live.