Shabir Qur'an 19 Code Destroyed by a Caller

In his debate with Tony Costa, Shabir Ally in a bid to defend the Qur'an as the word of God responded that the mathematical code is one of the evidence of the authenticity of the Qur'an as a divine book.

Interestingly, a question from a caller put the mathematical code in a complete mess and shows that its not a good case for the Qur'an

[fizdean]

For genuine truth seekers the label is ingenuous, ie misleading. The 19 in Quran is not debunked with a lame point. It still stands. Verify for yourself.

[mrdon]

Some drops of errors from the total ocean of errors in the Bible:-

1. The Bible says that the sky is "hard as a mirror of cast bronze" Job 37.18. So the Bible insists on a static universe. Actually Albert Einstein's famous blunder, the cosmological constant, was to explain the static universe. Although at that time no scientific evidence existed to support that claim, Einstein gave the Bible the benefit of the doubt and went for a static universe, non-expanding non-contracting. Later, when Edwin Hubble discovered the expansion of the universe, Einstein retracted this cosmological constant and called it the biggest blunder of his career. By trusting the Bible Einstein got it wrong by the order of 10^120

2. The Bible says that Earth is a 2 dimensional flat disk and the heaven is like a canopy: Isaiah 40.22. And since Earth is flat then Jesus could see the entire Earth from a single high location Matthew 4.8

3. The Bible explains how the sun is related to day and night (Genesis 1.1-31). It says that on the first day God created the light and darkness on Earth, the first evening came and the first morning followed. But God did not create the sun until the fourth day, specifically after three evenings and three mornings. So three evenings and the three mornings occurred on Earth before there was a sun. So according to the Bible daylight occurred without the sun!

4. Our sun is a very small star. Actually our solar system, including the atoms that you are made of, came from a dying star 100 times more massive than our sun. Some stars are even bigger than our solar system, so you can imagine how large stars are. However according to the Bible these stars are so small that they could fall on Earth: In Mark 13.24-30 Jesus said that stars will fall on Earth before his second coming. Actually he said that stars will fall on Earth before even that generation pass away. However that generation passed away a long time ago and no star ever fell on Earth nor ever will. Do you know why? Because Earth will vaporize before it even contacts a star. So according to the Bible, Jesus's second coming will happen when Earth is already vaporized!

5. Today's scientists have confirmed that animals inherit their colors and stripes from their parents (through DNA), the Christian Bible says something else: In Genesis 30.37-42, the Bible explains how baby goats get their streaked colors: If their parents were mating AND LOOKING at upright rods then the baby goats will have stripes; while if their parents were mating BUT NOT LOOKING at upright rods then the baby goats will not have stripes!

6. In the Christian Bible Jesus insists that the only sign we should verify is him being in the grave for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:38-40). So we are checking: He was crucified on Friday afternoon, the day before the Sabbath (Mark 15:42), and then he was resurrected on Sunday morning (Mark 16:9). Between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning there is 36 hours. Can anyone fit within those 36 hours three days and three nights?

7. According to the Bible Earth's gravity is so strong that it will make stars fall on Earth: In Mark 13:24-30 Jesus said that stars will fall on Earth before his second coming. Actually he said that stars will fall on Earth before even that generation passes away. However that generation passed away a long time ago and no star ever fell on Earth nor ever will.

8. The Christian Bible falsely claims that during the time of King David they paid for the temple 10, 000 gold darics, coins which turned-out to be actually struck by King Darius 400 years later (1 Chronicles 29:7)

9. The Bible insists that the sky is blue: Exodus 24:10

10. According to the Christian Bible David bought a plot of land on which the temple was to be built. One chapter says the price was 50 shekels of silver, another chapter says the price was 600 shekles of gold. So according to the Bible money is relative

11. The Christian Bible says that Earth is fixed on top of pillars 1 Samuel 2:8

12. The Bible insists that Jesus could see the entire Earth from a single high location (Matthew 4:8); but this is only possible if Earth is flat. And if Earth is flat then everybody should see the moon at the same time but today we know that this is false. The moon can only be seen at night, while people in daytime cannot see it.

13. The circumference of the circle is πD. So if the diameter is 10 units then the circumference should be 31.4 units. However in describing the temple the Christian Bible erroneously claims that the circumference is 30 units, making π = 3 (1 Kings 7:23)

14. The Bible says that stars burn like lamps, that is, it is a chemical reaction Revelation 8:10. However in reality there is no such thing as burning, instead atoms fuse inside stars by gravity, a nuclear reaction, not chemical

15. In Proverbs 6:6-7, Bible says Ants have no rulers, no boss, no leaders.Today because of entomologists we know many things about ants.
They are social insects, which means they live in large colonies or groups. Depending on the species, ant colonies can consist of millions of ants. There are three kinds of ants in a colony: The queen, the female workers, and males. The queen and the males have wings, while the workers don’t have wings. In The Bible, it asserts that ants have no commander, no overseer or ruler...

[happyguy]

so the verses were added later in the Cairo version to show a mathematical pattern.

[ahspalburg]

Tip: Read and study the Holy Quran first and you might understand and see the real truth

[papatutti]

Ivan Panin carefully examined the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1 and discovered an incredible phenomenon of multiples of 7 that could not be explained by chance. Genesis 1:1 was composed of seven Hebrew words containing a total of 28 letters. Throughout the Bible the number seven appears repeatedly as a symbol of divine perfection—the 7 days of creation, God rested on the 7th day, the 7 churches, the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets, etc. In total, Panin discovered 30 separate codes involving the number 7 in this first verse of the Bible. 

A Partial Listing of the Phenomenal Features of Sevens Found in Genesis 1
1 The number of Hebrew words = 7
2 The number of letters equals 28 (7x4 = 28)
3 The first 3 Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)
4 The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)
5 The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters
6 The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters
7 The three key words: God, heaven and earth have 14 letters (7x2 = 14)
8 The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7x2 = 14)
9 The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters
10 The Hebrew numeric value of the first, middle and last letters is 133 (7x19 = 133)
11 The Hebrew numeric value of first and last letters of all seven words is 1393 (7x199 = 1393)


The Pattern of SEVENS in Matthew 1:18-25—The History of Christ's Birth
1 The number of words in the seven word passage is 161 (7x23 = 161)
2 The number of Vocabulary words is 77 (7x11 = 77)
3 Six Greek words occur only in this passage and never again in Matthew. These six Greek words contain precisely 56 letters (7x8 = 56)
4 The number of distinct proper names in the passage is 7
5 The number of Greek letters in these seven proper names is 42 (7x6 = 42)
6 The number of words spoken by the angel to Joseph is 28 (7x4 = 28)
7 The number of Greek forms of words used in this passage is 161 (7x23 = 161)
8 The number of Greek forms of words in the angel's speech is 35 (7x5 = 35)
9 The number of letters in the angel's 35 forms of words is 168 (7x24 = 168)

[joshuamassawe]

So wait, the oldest korans had no verse numbers written and they were added later on - but the claim that the koran has never been changed, not even a dot, still stands??! Man!

[mervynmenezes]

If previous versions did not have numbered verses, it proves beyond doubt this book was altered. Also, it is impossible for mathematics to become the Word of God! If it truly is the word of God, why is human protection required - e.g. apostasy law?

[nestcanz]

It is said it's God's business to guard the Quran.
Nowadays you can pick any Quran and they are the same.
114 surahs, exactly the same. I know one case where there are different readings regarding one alif in surah 74:1, while mathematical structure could help us identify the correct version.

[ShahAlam-rske]

Rabi Tagore is then according to the Sabbir is a greater prophet than Muhammad. Sabbir, I request you as a respected man to tell the truth of your outdated man-made-scripture that you have to obey without changing a punctuation....!!!

[miladbannourah]

the quran or muhamed have nothing to do with God, believe it or not that's a fact

[montclare]

1924 Egyptian Quran 114 chapters 6, 236 verses Built on 12, 705 digits (Muhammad Ali Dynasty/Albanians in Egypt) Jesus is the Word! The Whole Quran is Messianic

[Peter-xfjy]

the number 19 hoax exposes two verses in surat baraa are added, bc they dont fit into that pattern.

[lambassiregar]

Mathematics will be better than Qur'an based on number miracles.Let us read Math to get miracles instead Alquran.

[stereostream]

How does the caller destroy anything based on the Quran base which is recited...🤦‍♂️ wishful thinking only

[EJ-ckpy]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you have zero idea what code 19 is

[seanmarkhayes]

To become a Muslim I have believe in number 19 I must believe in numero logy great

[warpaulgundol]

Book of the devil. That's it. Case closed.