On Pro-Papal Supremacy Quotes in the Church Fathers

This video contains brief statements about how to view out of context quotemines, why quotemines do not work by showing quotes (yes, the irony is deliberate) from Fathers that use "Papal titles" for other Churches.

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[helis]

Flowery language was just how people wrote at the time, it went in every direction - and even in the case of valid showcases of primacy, the leap from "we acknowledge the honour you have as bishop of the most important city, founded by two apostles" to "super-mega-ultra-monarch bishop, supreme ruler of the church" is insane to say the least.

I got the quotemine treatment recently, and I didn't even reply because there's very little you can do to get them out of that mindset. We just have to have faith that they'll have enough wisdom to keep pursuing the truth.

How can Vatican I claim that the papacy as it is today existed from the beginning, understood and respected by everyone in all ages, when Popes were excommunicated, sidelined and ignored on numerous occasion in the first millennium? Why would Rome need so many fake documents to shore up their position if it was commonly understood? Vatican I told a lie, and they call it infallible teaching.

[willtheperson]

Dimond Brothers using John of Damascus (who taught proto Palamism) to say that he taught Vatican I is laughable.

[NJP]

I did not know that Jerusalem was known as “The Mother Church”. Thank you.

[kevinbimariga]

do you have link for your thumbnail, david?

[Winterwalker]

Was thinking abt this earlier. Great video

[hitmanultra]

When we talk about "Primacy of Honors" vs "Supremacy", I think the Catholic side will say yes each Bishop should be in charge of their own region, and the Pope shouldn't be a dictator. However, if you don't ultimately have a sole arbiter - a "buck stops here" guy in an organisation, you can never achieve unity, since different factions will just argue non-stop. What if 49% of the church supported one issue, and 51% voted another way? Ultimately, as the "chief steward/prime-minister" (check out Isaiah 22 and Matthew 16's parallel), the Catholic position is that Peter needs to have the final vote on issues, without it, the Church will find unity to be impossible.

When the quotes in the video refer to Jerusalem as the "mother church", it refers to the origin of our faith. When the Catholic church says "mother church" what it means is that the Church is the bride of Christ, as a "mother" to all its members. Two different usages of terms.

Lastly, how comfortable you are with Vatican I depends on your view on whether there can be legitimate "doctrinal development", that the Church can come to a gradual and fuller understanding of some truth from the apostolic age. I think the Catholic side would argue that Peter's apostate's role as defined in Vatican I is an example of legitimate doctrinal development (again, not as a dictatorial monarch, but as the final arbiter on issues, which the church needs for unity.)

[mariobaratti]

the trads will say that the Pope is the supreme galactical emperor of the churches, he can own the other patriarchates and do what he wants with all the bishops and the hehe schismatics and at the same time he cannot touch the based latin mass

[koppite]

Didn't Peter in Acts 15 7 establish that he was The Ultimate teacher of The Faith?

[NavelOrangeGazer]

Roman catholic "history" reads like some weirdo's fanfiction.

[AbdulRahman-binu]

Just as I always say, Antioch is superior

[josealzaibar]

Very strong Protestant "Sola Scriptura" vibes here, just instead of the Bible is quotations from Church fathers.

[jasgla]

Rome was established by neither Peter or Paul. Simon Magus the sorcerer who bewitched the samaritans was the first "POOP".

[iammsmorales]

Hey! I love your channel and your manner of being balanced, but still very clearly passionate about your faith. Serious inquiry for anyone who is able to tell me because I am learning more about church history myself... where does Jerusalem fall on the great church family tree? This is the only website with the diagram I could find of it so sorry for the weird wikipedia entry it's just the only place I was finally able to find a diagram:


Would Jerusalem fall in line with the assyrian church line or the oriental church line 🙁 ? would anybody happen to know thank you!