Is Zechariah 12 a Messianic Prophecy?

Dr. Brown digs into the scriptures and tackles the Messianic implications of Zechariah 12.

[brandone.]

One for Israel did a deep dive on this passage a week or two ago addressing 5 objections to this being a prophecy referring to Jesus. It’s a great video.

[deanwilson]

Sir I’m so excited that the world has someone like yourself, there are many false teachers today. It’s hard to even go to a church because of all the church’s believe that God’s laws are no more, then I have to go home and correct everything that the preacher has said for my kids. I would go to Jewish synagogues but then Yeshua is not preached. What a weird world that we live in. Something else that is hard when we go to church is making sure everything is kosher I am so glad my kids from 4 to 10 all 4 of them can give the kosher class, my mom is always telling them you can’t eat that or grandma you can’t go out to eat today it’s Shabbat.

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Will millions of modern Orthodox Jews be saved at the Second Coming of Christ, based on Zechariah 12:10? This idea is promoted by several modern ministries. Was the "piercing" in this verse fulfilled at Calvary? The Apostle John quoted from this verse in John 19:37 after the Roman soldier pierced Christ with a spear at Calvary. Was the Spirit poured out on Jerusalem a few weeks later on the Day of Pentecost? Why did Peter address the crowd as "men of Judea" and as "men of Israel" and as "all the house of Israel" on that day? The text of Acts chapter 2 says many in the crowd that day were "cut to the heart" when they realized they had crucified their Messiah. Is this equivalent to "mourning"? On that day about 3, 000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.

Are there other problems with this idea of salvation at His Second Coming? In 2 Thess. 1:7-10 Paul reveals Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel. In 2 Peter 3:10-13 Peter also confirms Christ returns in fire on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief. Is there a Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church at His Second Coming? Do all people need to hear the Gospel now before it is too late for them.

What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word.

Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.

What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.

New Covenant Whole Gospel:

Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.

Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood of Jesus in Hebrews 12:22-24.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Watch the YouTube videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

[ebriggs]

Referring to the question about Jeptha and his daughter being sacrificed versus Messiah’s sacrifice, you must read in the gospels, (I believe it is John) where Jesus said no man takes my life. I lay it down of my own free will. This verse proves that Jesus was not sacrificed in the same manner that Jeptha’s daughter was or the innocent babies who were sacrifice to Molach. This verse also proves that the Jews did not kill Jesus, a common antisemitic theme in the church. It does prove that BOTH Jews and gentiles were responsible for Messiah‘s death because He said He laid it down of his own free will!

[massey]

Mr Brown could you do a segment on how Christ overcame Roman oppression for His people, the faithful?

[WVResident]

The first testament pointed to christ either directly or indirectly or even in shadowy sayings so either way it pointed to him.

[j.braunstein]

From Supplement to Contra Brown, Rabbi Blumenthal’s response to Dr. Brown’s 5 part book series.

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Brown argues that the multiple usages of the pronoun “they” in Zechariah 12:10 ought to refer to the same group of people. How about the pronoun “they” in 2Samuel 17:20, 21?

In the larger context, Brown does not tell his readers of the obvious problem with the Christian interpretation. According to the Christian understanding, the mourning that will take place will be a cry of shame and embarrassment. Yet the prophet speaks of a mourning like the mourning of one who loses a child – hardly a fitting metaphor for a cry of shame. (The scriptures have no problem describing a cry of embarrassment and shame in a manner that is unambiguous – see Micha 7:10, 16.) Furthermore, Brown has also failed to note the obvious parallel to 2Samuel 1 where David, the prototype of Messiah, inaugurates his kingdom with a lament for Saul. The parallels between the two stories are too striking to be ignored. These are the only two men in scripture who die through piercing (or stabbing with the Hebrew root d’k’r) and are mourned nationally. One event inaugurates the Messiah’s kingdom the other inaugurates David’s kingdom. In both situations a Jewish army was a contingent in a gentile army in a battle against other Jews (Zechariah 12:2 and 1Samuel 29:2) – the only two instances in scripture that such a situation occurs. And finally, Zechariah was not the only prophet who described Israel’s crying in the end of days Jeremiah described this spirit of grace and supplication as well (31:8, and 50:4). It is clearly not a cry of shame, but a cry of prayerful entreaty to God, who will have compassion on His firstborn son, Israel.

[jerryhogeweide]

If you look at the Yom Kipper sacrifice, it’s easy to see the two messiahs or just Jesus returning physically reincarnated. Israel rejected the first goat but ascribed the role of the scapegoat to Jesus. That’s pretty obvious just listening to the rabbis today. When they see who it was then they can swap goats and see the prophetic roadmap to atonement. Isa 53 is a description of the scapegoat and I personally think god sent him again. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I remember a rabbi or someone teaching that ‘pierced’ is a present tense verb like they’re looking upon the one they’re now piercing. The person is the one pierced not the lost firstborn. So all Israel needs to do is admit they aren’t the suffering servant and Jesus was and is again. The two witnesses to Israel are the same. The two olive trees bookends to the atonement roadmap predicted already with Yom Kipper.

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Re Terah fathering Abram at 70 or 130: 130 is an invention of that infamous chronologist Usher based on a literalist reading of Stephen's final sermon in Acts In it he says that Abram left Charran after his father Terah had died. Genesis never says this but relates that Abram was 75 when he left. Combining that with Terah's lifespan of 205, results in Abram being born when his father was 130. But Genesis never says this and Stephen had no way of knowing such details.
Alternatively, some extrabiblical writings (either Jubilees or the Cave of Treasures) shorten Terah's life to 145 years.
Moving Abram's birth to 130, 60 years after he began fathering children is stretching matters beyond believabiity.

[str.]

The distinction between the ritual Lord's Supper/Eucharist and a feast already happened in NT times, see 1 Corinthians 11.20-33.