Which comes first in the ordo salutis (order of salvation)—faith or regeneration?

#AskLigonier

[minisight]

Beautiful!! This video gave me the knowledge that I'm born again!! Gosh I love how god answers

[CBALLEN]

Amen.God loved His people so much, that WHILE WE WERE STILL DEAD IN SIN, that He made us alive with Christ by His grace, this is why a believer, believes.

(Joh 1:13)  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

I respectfully disagreed with your teaching. You quoted joh1:13 which I fully agreed that the regeneration is fully the work of God through His Spirit but what does Joh1:12 said; (Joh 1:12)  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" It said "but as many as received or believed in Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God". I believed in the Sovereignty of God and also the responsibility of men either to receive or to reject the free gift of salvation. In the bible there are approximately 200 times God commanded man to believe.
(Joh 20:31)  But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

(Joh 5:40)  And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Thank you

[robertromero]

This is new theology that faith is a given by Is it accurate in
JOHN 316...Believing is a command and need man decision to believe in Jesus... And confess Him as Lord and Saviour of His life

[silverbackhayabusa]

"Consequently faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the preached word of Christ." - Romans 10:17

That's it. Not some parable about seeing the kingdom of heaven and reading into it a doctrine invented by men. Faith comes from hearing the Scripture. It is sufficient.

"For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." - Romans 10:13

That's it. Not some ridiculous notion of total depravity which does not exist in the Bible but is yet again interpolated by men using a doctrine of men. Anyone can be saved if they would simply believe in Him. Calvinists respond with Roman 3-10 and the story of Nicodemus. They insist that one must be called and to be called is irresistible. Yet Jesus says He came for sinners (not some sinners) and not the righteous meaning He calls them all. Isaiah Chapters 55-59 show God calling all people and that He requires them to turn from wickedness rather than He turn them from wickedness.. Acts 17:26-27 shows all men seeking God if they choose and being commanded to repent v.30.

"Consequently, just as condemnation for all people came through one transgression, so too through the one righteous act came righteousness leading to life for all people."

Calvinists believe that Jesus' blood is inadequate to save the lives of all because they choose to ignore Scripture that doesn't fit their doctrine. All Scripture must be reconciled to understand the Lord's message but Calvinists prefer prooftexting, selecting a variety of verses that fit their narrative and ignoring the rest.

The pattern of man responding to God or turning his back on God is repeated over and over again in the Bible. When there is plenty, men turn their backs on God and He pours out His wrath. When times are tough, they turn to God and He pours out His mercy. We are never given indication that God is arbitrarily selecting generations for salvation then turning His back on the next and condemning them to Hell. What we see is God promising time and again for us to simply believe and we will be saved and blessed.

In Calvinism, they pretend that even though God says He wants all to come to salvation (2 Pet 3:9), He is actually a liar who just wants some to come to salvation because He only elects some though election is the only way to be saved and is controlled exclusively by God.

"But to all who have received him—those who believe in his name—he has given the right to become God’s children— children not born by human parents or by human desire or a husband’s decision, but by God." 1 John 1:12-13

We see men come to Jesus seeking Heaven. Some choose Him and others do not. There is zero indication that God compelled either type of man. Instead, Jesus tells us what we must do to be saved, "Jesus replied, “This is the deed God requires—to believe in the one whom he sent.” " - John 6:29

Calvinists claim a man doing anything to participate in his own salvation is a work despite this being repudiated by Paul where he makes clear faith (believing in God) is no work (Rom 3:20-28). But again, Calvinists choose doctrine over Scripture.

Calvinists believe God is too weak to allow man free will lest God be thwarted by man. Despite God's omniscience and omnipotence, a single man making a free-will choice somehow overcomes God in Calvinism. He is that weak. God lacks the foreknowledge (Eph 1:4-6) to know what men will do and how He can use it to His advantage. At least for Calvinists that is.

Those who hold to free-will say God knows what men will choose but the choice remains theirs. He commands them to repent and offers grace conditionally on belief. It's not acceptance that "earns" or "merits" salvation but the free gift of God. God set forth the conditions for which man will be saved. That is His sovereignty in action. Calvinists say His sovereignty comes in the form of arbitrarily choosing some for salvation and choosing most others for damnation.

It's not just His sovereignty but His desire that Calvinists are always appealing to that seems a complete mystery to them (Why does God elect one but not another? Mystery. )yet they somehow believe to understand the mechanics of it all. Those of free-will persuasion say it simply fits with God being just and impartial. All are offered the same gift under the same circumstance. Calvinists ignore justice pretending His justice is a mystery that is unknowable just as they ignore God's impartiality and repeated condemnations against showing favoritism.

[rowlandskylark]

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved., this text refutes this interpretation of his text🤔 belief precedes regeneration and new birth clearly here!!

[eugenejoseph]

Interesting? So much for Paul's admonition to preach so that some maybe persuaded. Calvinism is false.