NAR: Myth or Movement? - AG Roundtable

Is the New Apostolic Reformation a real movement that promotes dangerous false teachings that have subjected countless people to spiritual abuse and manipulation? Or is the label "NAR" being used by critics to misrepresent the beliefs of faithful leaders?

Note: This discussion was originally intended to be part of the “American Gospel: Spirit & Fire” (AG3) docuseries. Michael Brown withdrew from that project in the fall of 2023 but gave permission to publish this roundtable in an “uncut” format, separate from AG3.

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"How to Have a Constructive Conversation about ‘NAR’ (the New Apostolic Reformation)" - By Dr. Michael Brown:

"Response to Joseph Mattera and Michael Brown, Statement on “NAR and Christian Nationalism” - By Doug Geivett & Holly Pivec

"As People Flee NAR, Michael Brown Defends NAR Leaders and Compromises His Status as Spokesman for Charismatics and Pentecostals" - By Doug Geivett & Holly Pivec

Michael L. Brown, Ché Ahn, and the Brownsville Revival - By Doug Geivett (7/16/24):

[RandomBoxingGuy]

Keep in mind… Micheal Brown also defended MIke Bickle and Robert Morris by his experiences “knowing and spending time with them”. So it’s EXTREMELY difficult to take his testimony of people as solid evidence…

[MountainMrs]

People are hurt by this NAR movement. It shipwrecks many peoples faith. I was one of them. By the grace of God he showed me the truth and brought me out of the deception I was in. All glory to Him!❤

[tracyvansickle]

Standing ovation for Doug and Holly. I've not seen anyone stand up to Dr. Brown like that and pretty much leave him speechless. They were amazing!!!!

[teddygrams]

Michael Brown has proven time and time again that he will NEVER call these NAR false "prophets!

[VeritybyVerse]

Excellent work. It is truly sad that a man so educated can remain so evasive. I’ve never seen a scholar claim to know so many men’s hearts yet continually claim ignorance of their ongoing works and twisted teachings. I pray the Lord will help Dr. Brown see his culpability in perpetuating the lie that is the one and only NAR.

[blazier]

MB to NAR leader: "are you NAR?"
NAR leader: "No"
MB to Doug/Holly: "You see, there is no NAR!"

[kathyglatz]

My husband and I came out of a NAR church. It is absolutely real, wide spread.
Michael Brown is more interested in defending his friends than seeing the facts and truth.

[magnetpi]

A TREMENDOUS discussion!! Well done, Holly and Doug. 1 Cor 11:19 "for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized."

[lilacflowerdays]

Doug, with his even tone and gentle voice, did not come to play. He came packing. God bless him ❤

[gregoryrelationshipcoach]

It's very clear to me through this interaction that one person is more interested in the reputation of some leaders are being hurt and one person is more concerned that many genuine Christians have been spiritually abused.

[TheKJRFam]

As someone who has escaped this movement and was controlled and manipulated and suffered spiritual abuse by an "Apostle" who was untouchable, this is so disturbing. 😒Michael Brown is either completely clueless or he is a dangerous wolf. This interview makes me sick to my stomach. The leaders can gaslight all they want but everyone being led around by these guys know they are all affiliated with each other, they promote each other's books, they attend the same conferences, appear as guest on each other's shows and podcasts and every "Apostle and Prophet" you cannot question. Just because they changed the wording on their websites doesn't change the wording they use when they are giving you "The word of the Lord" This is most definitely a dangerous movement.

[sarahendrix]

Brown won't call anyone a false teacher but Scripture says there are many among us. He washes everything. Caught him off guard when they brought up someone called him an apostle...a teachable moment? No not when you went with it! I so appreciate Holly and Doug for the work they are doing in exposing this movement of falsehood leading many astray. Glory be to God for that.

[FlameKeepersPodcast-yryp]

Thank you so much for standing for the wounded ones who have come out of this NAR movement.

[IamThunderLord]

Just because Michael says "im not here to debate" doesn't mean it's true

[twanettefourie]

Thank you dear brother Doug and sister Holly for sticking to the term New Apostolic Reformation Movement. For not denying it, backed by rigorous research couched in brotherly truth and love.

Thank you Dr Brown for your participation.

[tarabeard]

Dear Dr. Michael Brown,

As a “boots on the ground charismatic” who calls the term “NAR” destructive, what about the countless believers who have left the charismatic movement who align our voice with Doug & Holly agreeing what they’re saying in their years of research is indeed true. I was a “boots on the ground” charismatic for 8 years, a “prophet” of our church, trained in & taught Bethel theology for 8 years, lived down the street from Bill Hamon & his school of prophets & YOU Dr. Michael Brown were a guest speaker at the “school of Revivalists” hosted by our church. The leader of that “school of Revivalists” ushered in “destructive” teachings & the churches theological foundation was in such shambles that it closed just a lil over a year later. I have LIVED the DESTRUCTION of this movement & it’s ideologies & I PRAISE GOD for brothers & sisters like Holly & Doug who persevere to protect the faith. The gospel was unrecognizable to me after 8 years in this movement. I find it interesting that you point out your concern for those being “demonized” by the term NAR, when faithful, God fearing believers are demonized constantly by this movement for not being “spiritual” enough or not coming into alignment with the authority of the apostle/prophet. For someone who thinks so highly of his scholarly achievements, it makes me wonder how you put such little thought into the boards, organizations, teachers, “prophets” & “apostles” you endorse. It seems you use the phrase “well I just don’t know” a lot when it comes to someone you might actually have to rebuke or correct. Having said all this, it’s obvious I need to pray more diligently for you. You are either very well aware there’s a problem or you’re too ignorant or blinded to see it. Either way, I’m praying for you.

Your sister in Christ,
Tara Beard

[mthomas]

How do you find a middle ground in heresy? Pro tip: There is NO middle ground.

[TheologyMom]

Doug was my apologetics prof 30 years ago. This video is a masterclass on how to conduct yourself with those you disagree with.

[jennesset]

Doug and Holly did their homework and Michael just says he knows these people personally. (Mike Bickle defense did not age well). Knowledge is not wisdom. And willful ignorance is not innocence.

[ElainePsalm]

Holly & Doug… I was in this movement for 3 1/2 decades & am very thankful that I escaped a few years ago & my eyes were opened. You were SPOT ON in everything you presented. I have watched MB in several debates & other situations, his mode of operation is always manipulative. He uses the same arsenal of phrases to belittle & derail whoever he’s talking with. Zero integrity… so very sad because he should be old enough to know better by now. His air of superiority cannot hide his hubris, even his smile is disingenuous & condescending. I am shocked anyone would respect him or listen to him. How you calmly endured this for hours is amazing & speaks to your level of integrity & commitment to the Word of God.🤗 Thank you, thank you, thank you! Please keep exposing these horrific wolves in sheep‘s clothing for people such as myself, now over 70, who finally escaped their dangerous teachings that are leading people to the wide & broad path to destruction.
My deep 😊appreciation to you both.💕💕 Philippians 1:3