The Relationship Between Justification and Baptism: A Final Response to Patrick Ramsey

This video is a final response to Patrick Ramsey on the doctrine of Baptism. I discuss the relationship between baptism and justification, sola fide, baptismal regeneration, Galatians, and the Judaizers.

[lutherserbe]

I do this comment because I love your work and it's unfair that you are not more popular.

[boastonlyinthecross]

This was so incredibly helpful and edifying!! I especially loved the “getting fiery “ section!! God bless you, brother!!

[Iffmeister]

Claiming baptismal regeneration is heresy makes the Nicene Creed heresy.

That's so foolish to believe.

[christian-qv]

doctor jordan  Thank you for your contents. I am from Ethiopia Evangelical Church, Mekaneyesus, a Lutheran denomination. I want to know deeply about my denomination. What resource would you recommend to me? I look forward to your response.

[mattmessuh]

I often hear you (and Lutherans generally) say something like, “sola fide flows from Luther’s view of baptism” which to me, in my VERY limited study in Luther, just seems backwards.

Of course he held to baptismal regeneration, but it seems like his doctrine of sola fide then *informed* his doctrine of baptism, and of course does a great job of making them work together, rather than the other way around. It seems like his study of salvation affected his doctrine of sacraments, rather than his study of sacraments convincing him of sola fide.

I’m open to correction, knowing that I have not studied Luther much at all. Thanks for the podcast :) Grace and Peace.

[jacobstefanec]

You should do a video arguing against the view Baptists often hold that there are multiple baptisms (baptism of the Spirit, baptism of water). Someone tried to tell me that the “our bodies washed with pure water” in Hebrews 10:22 refers to “Spirit baptism”.

It’s a weird distinction.

[jamesbarksdale]

About 35:10, you said there's no precedent in Galatians for saying that baptism is a work of the law.

On a different note, but not totally unrelated, what precedent is there for saying that it's a work for a person to volitionally place their faith in Christ?

[toddhollis]

I love the content. I am a seminary student and writing a research paper on justification and post baptismal sins. Any academic sources you recommend?

[jamesbarksdale]

I like the idea that we can look back to our baptism and have assurance that we are justified.

But Lutheranism says faith is created in baptism. What then of all who believe who are not baptized?

And, if they are justified, then why is baptism necessary as a means of grace?

[MyName]

I've watched most of your baptism videos and found them very helpful. I guess here's my last question on the subject that I haven't seen you address: What is the big difference between a Lutheran view and a Roman Catholic view on baptism? What's wrong with the "baptism of desire, baptism of blood, baptism of water" division, if anything? Is there any problem with talking about baptism putting us in a "state of grace" that we can then lose and must reacquire through confession? I assume there are differences here, but I'd be curious to hear you outline them.

[B-oc]

I consider baptism to be God’s work of regeneration and unification with Christ. That is a promise associated with the Word of God attached to the water. However, that promise is only realized and received by faith (which is also God’s gift. That is why even a baptized person who does not believe and acknowledge God’s lordship will be damned. But whoever believes and is baptized will be saved.

[wesmorgan]

I've gotten several beard products ads during this one video 😂

[Ben_G_Biegler]

This is verry interesting coming from more of a reformed prespective I have always thought baptism and circumcision were tied and this argument kept me from accepting baptismal efficacy for a while. I do wonder though if circumcision and baptism are not equitable were infants saved in the old testement?

[markhorton]

Circumcision was an outward sign by Hebrews of the promise made starting with Abraham to obey God's Law. No one has ever been able to keep that promise.

[Robofish]

As an LCMS Lutheran, who still gets confused by this stuff, would it be correct to say that Christ won forgiveness of sins for the elect on the cross 2000 years ago, and that we receive the benefits, through faith, by a means of grace such as the spoken word, baptism, or the eucharist? Would it also be correct to say that the means of grace offer additional benefits beyond forgiveness of sins depending on the means, such as baptism killing our old man and putting us into Christ or the word generating faith and repentance?

[vincent]

13:00 how baptism is not a work even though it is commanded

[juliasaurus-wrecks]

Would it be proper to say that Holy Baptism is related to Holy Absolution when a previously believing adult or child is baptized?

Oh, wait, it's a means of grace! Duh! I heard your answer after posting the comment. However, I'll leave this question up anyway. It may create an interesting discussion.

[markhorton]

If Baptismal Regeneration is heresy then Zwingli was the first Christian!

[liudvikas]

Dude have you heard about the thief on the cross.

[toomanymarys]

If water baptism is the means of regeneration, then people who aren't able to be baptized at conversion or adhere to credobaptism and delay it should not be regenerate. However, I know many converts in countries where baptism is impossible for them, and I can assure you that they are regenerate long before they are able to secure a baptism. Nor are Lutheran children better behaved than Baptist, for instance, which you would expect if an infant were truly regenerate!!!! If it made babies regenerate, you wouldn't have any credobaptists, because the fruit that necessarily stems from regeneration. Lol.

I have no problem with pedobaptism, actually, after a long study of baptism, but I don't believe it either provides regeneration nor keeps believers from it.

My theology is now almost completely confessional Lutheran at this point, but this is a place where I am unable to see agreement.