Could Young Joseph Joestar beat Dio?

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[IsaacKuo]

I say Joseph wins, because of two factors:

1) Unlike MANY JoJo characters, Joseph knows when to run away. This gives him an extra edge in any sort of "unprepared" situation, just because he'll have an extra step making an escape compared to most.

2) While Dio and Joseph may have similar brains smarts, Joseph has superior emotional smarts. Joseph may pretend to have pride, but when it comes right down to it it's usually just an act to deceive his opponent. Joseph will sink to any level to push his opponent's buttons, and Dio has many many many such buttons to push.

[Unknown-hbid]

Definitely. He's jacked like Jonathan but with way more of those sneaky strats. If he can beat Pillar Men in 1v1s, he can certainly beat Dio

[ykobi]

Agree with all your points, but I think you forgot about Joseph's tommygun tactic

[toadsagejacob]

Tbh, I think Joseph wins because Part 1 Dio wouldn't expect a hamon user to fight dirty, and Joseph has fought a decent bit of characters that outclassed Dio.

Kind of a bit of an unfair fight

[Waddledeeonredyoshi]

I don't understand the debate here. Straitz perfected his vampirism and before all that was an experienced Hamon master on top of that, despite that Joseph still took care of him easily before he even underwent any training. I'm not sure what would prevent Joseph from pulling off something like the grenade trick on Dio when Straitz never was able to even notice it. And this is all not even going into the pillar men who supposedly have thousands of years worth of fighting experience.

[sneakyking]

Highballing Joseph's intellect...he literally clows an IQ 400 perfect being more than once.

[machina]

Joseph was clowning on Pillarmen, he'd eat Part 1 Dio for breakfast lol

[gilgameshdevourerofworldsg]

You forget Joseph's trusty wool hat that he used against ac/dc who's to say he doesn't have another? Hamon thread doesn't contain water vapor or moisture and as such a wool hat is dios ultimate counter. Or joseph could simply use a trick as cheap as say cactus overdrive or soda cap overdrive. Something to blind his enemy long enough to secure the win. He is known to carry a drink on him be it a bottle or flask at all times so he could easily use said flask or drink to his advantage.

[diegodankquixote-wry]

Young Joseph could easily clap Dio. Straitzo is said to be in Dio's ball park (who he easily clapped) and the pillarman are magnitudes stronger then Straito.

[thepencil]

"If the territory isn't special..."
I think that's the thing that gives Joseph the edge. I don't think there's anything special about the places Joseph fights with or the tools Joseph uses to his advantage. Josephs biggest strength is the ability to take literally anything he can find to make the territory special, be it a mirror against Straits, the well against Santana, or even the cars in the Mariah fight. The only way I can see Dio winning is if they're both naked, on Final Destination, and Joseph hasn't eaten anything solid in a while.

Also I'm not really sure if Dio's intellect really matches up to Joseph. Sure he's a genius academically but time and time again he overplays his power misses key details in the heat of battle. What is Part 1 Dio's greatest intellectual feat?

[PhinMura]

Joseph basically trolled 4 demigods to death, i think he'll get by

[TheOrginalWockySlush]

Intelligence: Part 1 Dio lost to Jonathan because he didn't realize he was standing near a fire. Not even comparable to Joseph in any way.

Attack potency: Pillar men like santana are stated to be above vampires like Dio. Kars himself comparing santana as a guard dog or a child. Joseph cut kars' light blade in half while exhausted. Dio's ice manipulation matter of fact might just be overwhelmed due to the pillar men already having a resistance to hamon in the beginning of the series, and Joseph later gaining hamon strong enough to pierce right through them with a finger.

Speed: Joseph kept up with kars. Pretty much no debate there.

This fight is pretty much a wash the second you bring up joseph who trained for 3 weeks. Joseph being better at hamon than Jonathan. I mean for god sake, he stuck himself to a wall covered in oil with hamon for 60+ hours. He did this at the start of training with a mask that made it difficult to conduct hamon

[dismaned]

Straits literally said he perfected all of dio’s vampire moves of course Jospeh could.

Now say dio woke up a few years after part 2 the it’s even easier since Jospeh has Lisa Lisa to back em up

[geardog]

If Joseph can defeat the creators of the Stone Mask, than the answer is obvious.

[noriakikakyoin]

Is no one going to point out that by the end of part 2 he was 1 shotting lesser vampires and severely injuring wham with every strike? Essentially meaning he could probably 2 shot dio

Also I did not originally mention that Joseph already knows about And knows how to counter Dio's space ripper stingy eyes

[floof]

Imagine if Joseph continued to master his hamon by part 3. He'd be pretty darn broken. Also he'd still look young.

[JamiM]

Unless you put Joseph and Dio on an impossibly flat, unbreakable surface, Joseph would win. Even then, there is a solid chance that Joseph would somehow use the terrain against Dio.

[rhysjonsmusic]

I think you are overhyping part 1 Dio.
If Dio could be out maneuvered and beaten by Johnathan then surely Joseph (whom you said was physically comparable to johnathan but with an intellect capable of tricking ultimate lifeforms kars) would be able to pull out a W.

[geboaebo]

The thing about JoJo power scaling is that it is all about circumstances. Most battles in the series are won by very clever and specific things. There's never a "this character is stronger so he wins" situation. So for every hypothetical matchup, there's infinite scenarios in which one or the other could win. It's just hard

[phto.]

Most def bro he's got every advantage Jonathan had plus more and he kinda beat the perfect lifeform