Honda ST1100 vs ST1300 Pan European

After owning both of these bikes I thought I'd give you the advantages of both bikes. Hope I don't offend Pan 1300 owners like I did the BMW GS1200 Taliban lol

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[steveprozinski]

I've had both the 1100 and the 1300. The 1100 was a great bike. The only fault I have with the 1300 is the fueling, otherwise it seems to do everything a little better. Honda might have been trying too hard to justify the update to the 1300. The 1100 with more cc's and an electric windshield would have been just as nice.

[GasMotorcycleCouriersSheffield]

I currently own two ST1100's, a 99 abs/tcs model and an 02 standard model which is featured on you tube, both are very well maintained with no issues, these bike do require in depth maintainance, for instance when the rear tyre is replaced you must also replace the three "O" rings on the drive shaft wheel assembly, the carbs are very easy to Balance, and the timing belt is easy to replace, the electrics can be an issue if not greased up, the cooling system is not the best and this shows on past Police bike models by that I mean the bikes do not like being left ticking over with the cooling fan cutting in and out, as eventually the heat will weaken the block casting and will eventually crack at the point of the casting mark where the 10mm coolant drain bolt is located on the right, I talk from experience on the matter, I have however added a manual switch in situ to overide the standard cooling system fan, with also the removal of the thermostats centre piece, this prevents running hot and gives extended engine life.. and yes there other issues which have been mentioned in other posts, but if you keep ontop of them they are not an issue, oil is changed every 4 thou religously with filter change every 8 thou using FS 5w40, also swing arms are protected with rubber matting hanging down in front of the rear wheel which are painted every so often so no corrosion problems there.. I use these bikes for Long distance dispatching and they do exactly what they say on the tin, believe me I've had a few bikes which have not seen a season working - this includes a couple of BMW's, the Honda ST's are by far the best for anthing you throw at them and will last as well.

[ClassicTrialsChannel]

Bought a pan 1100 a months ago, a 2002 so right at the end of the run.
what a brilliant bike. really loving it and so is the misses. she finds that most of the time she doesnt need to hold at all. because of the topbox.
Im also finding it super comfy and it pulls from tick over really smooth and most of the time you dont need to go over 4000 revs because of the low end torque.
we have allready cover 2000 miles on it

[aking]

I have a 1990 st1100 with 82k. I absolutely adore it! I use it probably on average 4 times a week all year round.

[montlejohnbojangles]

I actually just bought my first ST1100 to replace a Kawasaki Concours 1000 that I dropped in the wet. So far I absolutely love it. Comfortable, fast, handles wonderfully, tonnes of luggage space. Classic Honda odd looks, but what an engine.

[RoadcraftNottingham]

Thank you. The mic at the time was the one built in to the wire. If you look at my "cameras I use" upload, you'll see it. It's such a shame they don't still make the 1100. I drove a 4x4 in L.A and soon got used to driving on the other side. I especially like the yeild law, red light, right turns, great idea.

[RoadcraftNottingham]

It's amazing how many people who have owned both of these bikes still prefer the 1100. I think Honda should modernise the bodywork, NOTHING else and re-release the 1100 with exactly the same engine. They'd get a lot of sales I'm sure (I'd be among the first in the queue)

[AccurateShooter]

I bought a 2001 ST1100A this year in showroom condition with 4700 miles! It's a beautiful machine, makes the miles fly by. My bum was very sore on my VFR after 45 minutes. On the ST1100 I can ride for 2 hours without a break. Pillon seat is very good. My only complaint about the ST1100 is that the std windscreen tosses a lot of air at your helmet at speed. So, I always wear earplugs. For a tall guy like myself, the ST1100 has much more legroom than the FJR1300. The ST is a pig in the driveway.

[dalelbiker]

I've been trying to buy one of these bikes for ages good examples seem to have such high Mileage and some over priced
Really enjoy your reviews very balanced

[stlee]

Thanks for uploading!
A few things: having owned many 1100's, and a few 1300's, I'd say the comfort on the 13 was better for me, with the adjustable seat (and electric screen). I suit the narrow seat better as I'm short, and found the 1100 much too tall and wide, and too firm.
The older 1100's get expensive to maintain, with exhausts and swing arms (as you stated), plus having to clean out the brake pistons every 6 months was a pain. Handling on the 13 was never an issue for me, I'm not sure wh

[aaDevs]

100% agree with most of your comments, had both, much more happy with the 1100 and I can't really find enough power on the 1300.
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[Molea]

a couple of notes. The 1300 had their tyre pressures recommendations increased for the front upto 42 psi, also on the web is discussions about the actual installation of the front axle sequence. The bikes do need to be set up correctly, then ridden in an appropriate manner. Tank slappers can be ridden through dropping your centre of gravity

[RoadcraftNottingham]

I've had an ST11 standing for months in the UK without a hitch and owned 4 pan 11s without any carb probs (apart from worn needle guides in a 140, 000 mile model). As you say, it may be the fuel difference. I just wish they still made new pan 1100s, I would buy one tomorrow.

[RoadcraftNottingham]

@r3tyr3d It depends if older = wiser or if it = losing strength as the pan 11 is a VERY heavy bike and as easy as it is to ride at all speeds, you need to be fully aware of where you stop. i.e road camber, potholes inclines etc. If the bike goes beyond 15 degrees or so lean whilst stationary you'll drop it however strong you are. I love my Pan but am always aware at 5 feet 8 that I'm stuffed if I don't watch it. I hope this helps.

[supersharpdave]

Nice reminding bikers to thank considerate drivers. I always appreciate any kind of careful driving when I see it and am careful to thank as best I can.

[conanhayle]

I love my st1100 to bits, gobbles up the miles with the greatest of ease

[RoadcraftNottingham]

@redline934 The only problem with the 1100 now is the age. The deauville or (dullsville) as some describe it as, is a lovely little bike. I think it's worth getting test ride on one to see what you think.

[wazzazv]

I have owned both bikes and I prefer the St1300 it just handles a lot better, no wobbling around broad bends. I took my ST1100 from Hobart to Victoria and followed the coast to Adelaide then road up the centre to Ayers rock up to Tennant Creek over to Mt ISA and back through Emerald back down to Brisbane to Sydney to Melbourne and home. These bikes are reliable and I have no doubt I could have got straight back on and gone to Broome without a problem. They do not like dirt roads and I warn people not to play with fire. The St1300 does not "wobble" what is happening is that in certain wind conditions and atmospheric pressures there is build up of forces on the front screen and its more wind buffeting. It does occasionally happen but not until you are exceeding 130 kpm. I understand it  I am not sure how to rectify it, maybe just on the day pull back on the speed. At these speeds air pressure comes into play. The St1300 stock standard has a more comfortable seat. I choose the St1300 there isn't much difference in speed but the St 1300 handles a lot better, The fuel injector system is very jerky I haven't found a way around this problem yet. Yours ; A good assessment!. If you have an ST1100 and your happy with it, keep it! for the extra money on a St1300 I wouldn't bother.

[RoadcraftNottingham]

Great story and agreed fully. If I had one wish it would be to be able to buy a new one. I've no idea what will replace this.

[RoadcraftNottingham]

On linked braking the rear usually operates one side of the front, best check your manual. Regarding too hot into a bend, there are too many factors to consider..the speed you're going, road surface, road condition, wet or dry, camber, severity of the bend, type of tyres you use, (these are just off the top of my head) If I've gone too hot into a bend I try to sit up, brake on front and drop it down again whilst looking where I want to go (target fixation) Your bike will lean more than you think