Pro Drivers DEBUNK sim racing pedals myths

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[randomcallsign]

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[izzieb]

Random Callsign going the extra mile (or miles in this case) to prove a point to idiotic commenters on YouTube. I admire your dedication!

[vt]

Videos like this are sim racing gold! It’s great to finally see topics like this have all the mystery taken out. I have injured my knee from having my sim pedals set too hard. I jumped on the hype train of people online saying that having a stiff brake pedal is the only way to get accuracy in braking. My intuition told me that this probably wasn’t completely true, but I put my faith in what I was hearing. I’ve started experimenting with a softer setting after watching Race Beyond Matter’s video on this this topic. I’ll have to retrain my muscle memory, but after a few hours with the soft brake, I can feel how I may have more precision this way.

[NielsHeusinkveld]

Some comments, 7 days after the video... :-)
- They talk about brake PRESSURE in the real cars, which isn't the same as pedal FORCE. 80 Bar pressure in a Ferrari might take 100kg force. 120 Bar in a Mercedes might take the same 100kg. Drivers often seem to be unaware of this!
- G force is an argument often made but this is VERY complex. If I was to do a guess I would say it reduces the pedal force between 5% and 20%, but not magically cut it in half. This is really tricky to analyze and also often 'over used' by people.
- Seems a great variety of forces and travels are preferred, so it might make sense to look for pedals that offer a large range of adjustments because:
- Whatever works best for you is of course justified!
I do wonder how far this subjectivity goes. What about F1 drivers in the official team simulator? Do they also get to say 'let's do 50kg today' or will it be whatever the real car needs, minus their proper analysis of brake G force 'aid' force? I would almost think so but I don't know.

[SMGMusic]

Easily the most informative video r.e sim/real braking I've ever seen. Cheers!

[johnduncan]

Great video, really interesting to see that even pros take different approaches in sim. Underlining what most sensible people already thought : it's a matter of personal preference.

[RachelJimenez]

OMG, I loved this so much!!!! All the drivers so helpful and clear! They are awesome. And they all confirmed what I thought which is that sim braking could never mimic the real thing exactly because of the lack of g-force. I feel better about my choice running a pretty soft brake pedal with quite a lot of travel. Yay!

[rickthomas]

Thanks for this! Hearing pro drivers talk about sim gear, especially brake pedal settings was brilliant and informative.
Sim racing setups are so very personal.
Thanks again for this!

[aldyrinc]

More simracers need to watch this. Daniel Morad and Dave Perel's explanation was fantastic

[doug_vickers]

I was always told I needed to have a very hard brake pedal with almost no travel and I struggled a lot.
Recently upgraded to HE Sprints which have a softer pedal with more travel out of the box and I find them to be an absolute joy to use.
I am now much more confident when braking and can control the brake pressure well.
At the end of the day you set up the pedals how they work for you and not how someone says it should be.

[commandergeokam]

massive respect random callsign for talking to all these gt drivers and for a very big topic in sim racing community

[jodyjo_gd]

I like a softer brake pedal because it makes it easier to heel & toe downshift. My pedal in my real car has a lot more travel vs the sim pedals and is easier to heel & toe due to the G forces. I can’t left foot brake that well because I’m so used to driving H-pattern transmission cars.

[simracedude]

Amazing insight and super interesting. I too had the misconception that my brake pedal had to be super stiff. I was shocked at how much travel there is when they showed the cam in the F1 car. Awesome job on video, top notch!

[boostedmedia]

Excellent video! Very valuable to get some feedback from people with real world experience. Keep in mind though that Pressure = Force / Area, so “bar” isn’t really an appropriate unit of measure to determine how hard you need to press the pedal as a point of comparison.

I still maintain that the fundamental element that makes a good brake pedal for sim racing is a clearly defined threshold point which you can hit consistently and modulate around with finesse. What that feels like in a practical sense is purely subjective, but it is essential in the absence of seat of the pants feel.

Some people will prefer a stiffer pedal with shorter travel like I do. Others will prefer softer, but as long as the required definition is there to establish muscle memory, everything else is purely personal preference.

The biggest mistake people make IMO is upgrading their pedals and automatically
defaulting to an overly soft setup with little definition as that’s what they’re used to. I personally fell into this trap when I first upgraded to HE Ultimates and it wasn’t until I tried pedals that ONLY offered a stiffer setup that I realised what I was missing out on after being forced out of my comfort zone. That doesn’t mean the stiffer pedals are “better”, it just serves to demonstrate that experimenting with the range of adjustment available on your chosen pedals is a worthwhile exercise.

[Draecko]

I started out with 70 bar on my Invictas, all fun in the first few races but started to get really heavy and painful on long nights, especially endurance. Found the sweet spot at around 42 bar, which is kinda funny it's what David recommends as well.

[fredyshred]

It's funny that you did on video on this topic because I told you when we were at Spa that the brake pedals that I've tried (the load cells one) felt so short and hard to press compare to anything that I drove in real life..I remember that you told me that it was something that you can change a little and now, to hear from pro drivers who thinks almost the same clear my mind a little ; I guess I wasn't far from the true after all

[AlexAnghelone]

This is one of the greatest video on sim racing ever made. Informative, straight to the point, with data from the real world. Well done.

[dennismeijer]

Thanks for the video, great insight. @7:17 this is why I bought the asetek invicta, coming from g29 pedals. And it actually works for me. Im at 42 bar with medium rubber. Way more consistant now without guessing the position of the pedal instead of pressure.

[GuagoFruit]

Sim racers crying "you can't judge pedal travel as consistently as pedal pressure" must have never thought about their throttle pedal. But in summary, there's no correct way, just do whatever you feel gives you the most precision.

[funkyd]

I can't tell you how many times I've had SIM Bois flame me for this.... There's a massive discrepancy between what people in the sim community think is realistic, and what actually is. There's also a big difference between how a race engineer would set up a brake system versus how a SIM d00d would. There's a lot more than what these drivers discuss, and for the rest you should talk to an engineer.