What If The Revolutions of 1848 Succeeded? | Alternate History

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Heyo, GreenBall here. I'd just like to clarify that this video was done for an AP Euro project. I have always enjoyed making alternate history scenarios, but I have never made content that truly falls in this genre. So... I decided to upload this. Please, let me know if you want to see more of this content on my channel, and I'll do my very best to deliver these types of videos. Thx ^^

PS... the countryballs were a pain to draw

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I think I should say this, I made this whole video in less than 24 hours because I started this whole thing the day before it was due and pulled an all nighter lmao

I did the exact same thing for my junior year APUSH final project, I’ll prob post that here sometime lol

greenball_antimappy

This is really one of the most interesting What-If scenarios.

absikle

I have to make a little correction, Italy wouldn't join the crimean war, Piemont joined so to convince the French during the treaties to help unite the peninsula, with an italy already united there wouldn't be need for that

casteddu

1848 was also the year of the Manifesto, I wonder what influence it could’ve had with your version of 1848’s revolutions.

Iknowthismeme

Oooh, this is good, I want more. I would recommend showing borders on the map though

nizam

9:49 Transylvania was never a Romanian territory in that point besides for a year during Michael the Brave's reign. Hungary owned Transylvania from 895-1526, then it became an Ottoman vassal for more than a century and it was mostly ruled by Hungarian princes, then it became Austrian territory up till 1867, when Austria-Hungary was formed. In 1918 Romania occupied the territory, and in 1920 it officially became a Romanian province by the Treaty of Trianon.

Hungarian was the majority in Transylvania up till the early 15th century or earlier. They most likely emigrated due to the rising Ottoman influence, or corrupt nobles and high taxes or perhaps due to the high development of Transylvania. But they were mostly met with resentment and hate due to their religion being Orthodox Christian, and Hungarians were Catholic Christians.

Anyway, most of what we know about the ethnical history of Transylvania is speculation.

nandormapper

"A historically Romanian region Hungary had possession of"

Even before hungarians occupied the Carpathian Basin (when the huns were raiding Europe) there were only Scythians and Goths and Vlachs only started to really populate the land 2 hundred years after the region was declared as a part of the Hungarian kingdom ( in the year 1000 it was in dispute with the pechenegs who were Turkic) and only because the mongol invasion of 1241 strongly depopulated it and there was a necessity of settlers to keep society functioning.

The region was legally and culturally hungarian at least until the complete annexation to the Austrian empire which means it was rightfully hungarian for at least 700 years.

federicoalcaraz

*Me seeing Hungary getting surrounded by enemies:*
Oh COME ON! Nothing changed!

kriszgamer

I guess you got the highest mark, because this is so well done.

fernit

As a Hungarian i see this as an absoloute win

leventekocsis

3:03 Austria was really close to surrendering but they had the panic button by summoning the russians in.

mics

I like the narration and the countryballs too. 10/10

woah

Hello, I’d like to add to the discussion to this year-old video.

Firstly, the conquest of Africa was actually not beloved or sought after by the merchants within there. They felt more confident in their own ability to trade and feared borders would reduce profit. They still intended to be exploitative, certainly, but the Scramble for Africa is not as foregone as it may first seem. A lot of it was driven by insecurities back home, where the established French and British feared German economic encroachment, while the Germans feared if they did not stake territorial claims their trade would be seized by the navally superior British. This is still seen in how the Belgian Congo was largely permitted on terms of it being a free trade zone. How does 1848 affect this? Essentially, the German economy would be given a “head start” on it’s global development, so prior to the means for map-painting becoming available, some sort of understanding of multinational commerce in Africa would likely be developed. Furthermore, a more republican Europe would be more skeptical of a Belgian king’s mad personal ambitions. I see this world’s Africa still being exploited and turned against itself by European interests, and certainly a realm of competition, but with far more granularity.

Secondly, WWI is certainly not as assured, though still possible. A large factor in why the alliance networks were triggered so rapidly was the experience from the rapid Prussian victory in the Franco-Prussian and even Austro-Prussian war. Essentially, the conclusion from this was that whichever side mobilized and attacked first would win, a concept not adequately reconsidered as everyone’s war plans involved more and more men and material moving more densely through deadlier terrain. If the most recent major European conflict was the Crimean War, then perhaps leaders would calculate war to be expensive, bloody, and of limited use, making the alliance networks more negotiable. Or perhaps there’s a different conflict which sets a military paradigm.

I still think the porous boundaries of Eastern Europe, running from the Baltic to the Balkans, would confound the ethnolinguistic nation-state order which would be even more popular in this timeline. What would the fate of the Poles be, especially if the German Confederation did not integrate them into their state?

My fiction running in this revolutionarily optimistic theme sees a major war by the 1860s. I think the Polish question would remain a difficult one, as the Polish territories of Prussia were excluded from the German Confederation. I see a Polish uprising in Russia supported by Germany, who perhaps hopes for a proud liberation war akin to the Italian experience against Austria, only to have to struggle against a Russia far less willing to budge. The Balkans would be so crazy that you can frankly pick whoever you want to be on each side, or even a three or four-way conflict. Perhaps a major coalition defeats Germany for upsetting the balance of power, pushing us towards our own world. However, I do see Germany more likely winning against Russia. An easy war and German hegemony probably creates a “soft borders” Eastern Europe. A difficult war and negotiated peace, especially if everyone is trying to push forward their own favorite Balkan nation, probably sees far harder borders and many ethnic exchanges, or worse. There is a lot that is possible with this scenario, whether the impact of 1848 is seen as more liberal, or more nationalist. I am optimistic; however the 1848 revolutionaries succeeded would not be forgotten, and I do not see governments being as willing or able to push their subjects down non-self-interested paths. However, thank you for the scenario and your video! I will investigate your channel!

ethankirsch

What about a “What if the Revolutions of 1918-1919 succeeded?”

PatriotMapper

One thing of advice when talking about each country in such a video is when glossing over the map like when you were talking about the social changes within each country, you should outline the borders at the time of rather than just showing it blankly on the map. We both know where they are but others might not and especially to know the current borders of what is being talked about. using countryballs again at that point might've also been better. Overall the first two-thirds of your video are much better than the last I'm thinking you might've been on a time crunch lol.

italiansandvich