High-pivot hype? Deviate Highlander Vs Forbidden Druid review | Mountain Bike RIder

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It seems like you can’t open social media or a magazine these days without seeing a new bike with an idler suspension design. Only recently we've seen launches for the new Cannondale Jekyll and Norco Range, both four-bar suspension designs with, you guessed it... idlers.

And it’s not just Cannondale and Norco who are pumping up the high-pivot hype, spy shots are already circulating of prototype bikes from Devinci, GT and others, all rocking idlers. So once again, what’s old is new, as high-pivot idler designs have been drifting in and out of downhill racing for over two decades with various degrees of success.

Why the sudden proliferation in the enduro bike category? To answer that question we need to wind the clock back 10 years to when SRAM launched XX1, the first mass produced 1x11 drivetrain. Because without it, and the subsequent 1x12 drivetrains, no usable idler equipped enduro bikes would exist today.

So what better head to head test, than the Deviate Highlander 140 and Forbidden Druid XT? As the name suggests the Deviate Highlander has 140mm travel while the Forbidden Druid pumps out 130mm. Both bikes have full carbon frames and both are built around 150mm forks, although you also have the option to run 160mm forks to further slacken the geometry.

Being shorter-travel trail bikes both are rolling on 29in wheels. The Deviate Highlander has clearance for a 2.8in rear tyre but doesn’t recommend mulleting the bike. Contrast that with Forbidden’s attitude; the aftermarket Ziggy Link, that partially corrects the geometry for the smaller 27.5in rear wheel, actively encouraging it. We say partially corrects, as the mullet set-up will still have a slightly lower BB height and slacker angles.

At 15.05kg and 14.85kg respectively, the Deviate and Forbidden can not be classed as Down County, as it would only take a thicker casing front tyre and bigger rotors to push them squarely into the enduro bike weight class. For reference, the 170mm travel Nukeproof Giga that we tested in the May issue tipped the scales at 15.56kg.

So it’s clear that both the Deviate Highlander 140 and the Forbidden Druid XT are built for the hardcore end of trail riding. But will either one live up to the high-pivot hype? Time to find out.

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This is probably one of the most nuanced bike discussion videos I've seen. It really went deep into the nitty, gritty, nerdy details, that many videos from the big magazines sometimes gloss over. 10/10 would recommend 👍

DragonBornish
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Agree with DragonBornish - for years now your youtube vids have had the most relatable and insightfull content on youtube - smashing pinkbike, vital, and beta etc out of the park. So much more detail and info. I know the mag - which I also buy - is the priority but I think you should do more vids too!

essexhertsmtb
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23min video without crappy commercials. Best video of 2021 :)

TrIpMo
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I don’t agree that rearward travel doesn’t count. It helps get over bumps therefore it counts.

Also once a fork is pointed downwards such that it is at 90 degrees to horizontal, you suddenly get all the travel you paid for just when you needed it.

paul--b
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We need a deviate claymore vs forbidden dreadnough discussion!! 🤘🤘

truambar
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These reviews are so good. Honest, detailed and the delivery is engaging as well.

vlbz
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Great review, there is one thing ive noticed with these high pivot idler pully bikes and that is the derailleur cage gets pulled forward in every compression, its certainly going to give the derailleur clutch a good working over.

darrensmith
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AMAZING review. Thanks. I just purchased the V2 of the Druid. I don't have it in hand yet, but now I have some background. Excellent stuff. Subscribed.

seanrequiredfieldcannotbel
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Funny, I was just looking for a comparison video of these two bikes the other day. Well done!

bimmerfan
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Great reviews and deep discussions. I am riding a Druid with a Fox DHX2 (w 550 enduro spring) running a fairly high rebound and it is really coming to life. I actually am running it mullet as well and the manual ability increases. It is still a short travel bike and you can't expect it to hammer out big drops and harsh tech landing one after another but I have to say, the bikes improve as you tune them deeper and creates a super fun, modern design trail rider that can still just hammer it in the park...with a limiter switch in the travel length. So for this old guy, I am digging it. Thanks gents.

troyhudson
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As a very recent owner of a Druid frame, you make some interesting points... Some of which I agree with, some I don't.

My other bike is Gemoteron G1 and the druid frame replaced a pole hard tail - part swap.

I don't agree on the druid sizing. I'm 195cm and being used to ultra long bikes... with a 50mm stem... it fits me fine. Its short length makes it more agile IME and I don't feel cramped.

I also don't agree on the lack of pop / manual ability. Compared to the G1 and pole it's significantly better and good enough to have fun on. I find it encourages you to pop off each feature - but I'm a lot heavier so maybe the shock tune suits me better.

On the suspension performance, I do think it offers more than your normal 130mm bike. Over roots and rock gardens, I was dropping my heals awaiting the hit... It was nowhere near what I would have expected. But I agree - small bump isn't great.

I do agree, it is a confused bike. Way too heavy for a 130mm trail bike. My old insurgent was lighter, climbed better, and had more travel. I too wondered why they set travel at 130 when for pretty much no additional weight, you could have 150mm. But wondered whether you lost some pop at 150mm.

However, it does have an indescribable quality to it... I find myself taking the druid out way more than my other bikes...more than it just being new.

Hard to work out who it is aimed at.

takegoodcareoftheforestdew
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Need another one of these videos for 2024.... 👍

RunRideHikeThrive
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Great Video, much details on the high pivot pros and contras. Im still trying to figure out if a Norco Range or a Dreadnought is worth the high pricetag or if I sould go with something like the Giga witch isnt cheap either :D anyway I want a new bike.

maffin
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Great professional review, pls more of this

userbarny
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Best bike review I've seen in ages!

clintosorus
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When else do you compare a 130-140mm trail bike vs a 170-180 enduro giga? There is 30mm difference in the fork alone, of course your guna feal it more.

altank
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great discussion. Really enjoyed this vid and loved the analysis!

owenblake
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Thank you for this detailed review ! I was thinking of buying a second hand Druid frame size L... but actually my 2019 Trek FEX (heavily tuned 150/136mm Fox36/X2) can definitely handle bikeparks... really thorough review very informative... let's see how it evolves from here... I'll pass on the Gen1 high pivot trail bikes

AchrafRa
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So refreshing to see a review that is not just blowing smoke up your ass about how wonderful every bike is. whether his takes are right or wrong, i have more respect and give more weight to his reviews because he is not just regurgitating the press release talking points.

jefflinde
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Great review and discussion. I'm the proud (and happy) owner of a 2019 Druid. Ride it mostly in Vancouver BC and Bellingham WA, but have spent the last 2 months in Southwest Colorado and am surprised at how well it rides on more of the "ups and downs" of rolling rocky singletrack here. I'm super interested to learn how Forbidden may change up the shock tunes further, but from what it sounds like, I'm glad I have the "original" shock tune. Still, have been considering a "lighter" coil, like the DHX2, but now I see there is a Push Eleven Six "micro" which might be the ticket. I certainly don't want to make my bike any heavier. While it may be heavy - and for long 8 mile fire road climbs I'd want something else ideally - for technical or semi-tech climbing, the tracking of the rear tire is amazing. With the oval ring I'm using, there are so many sections I just could not get past that I'm able to easily ride now. Honestly shocking as I'm not that strong (I don't think, compared to what seems like everyone else on the trail anyway haha!).

One comment that I haven't seen is how damn well this frame and suspension design sheds mud and debris. I ride in some super muddy stuff in the PNW and one small hose shot and everything flushes out so easily (not that a lot collects anywhere in the first place). I love how pivot bikes ride (and transitions), but man, I see sooo many gnawed up frames from mud and rocks getting caught in the rear pivot area. That NEVER happens to my bike (nor do I think it will, after 2 years of riding).

Oh, and I'll take a "8" rating from you guys - I'd say that's pretty darn good. Though I've been looking to find your overall bike rates and find what bikes got a "10"?? [EDIT - FOUND IT]

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