Pavlopetri, Greece ~ Underwater 5,000 Year Old(?) City

First discovered in 1968, the underwater ruins of Pavlopetri, Greece turned out to be about 5,000 years year old. It it called the oldest submerged city in the Mediterranean Sea. Certain things found hint it may be older.

From University of Nottingham
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[CaesiusX]

There's just something about reaching into the past like this. Catching a glimpse of what once was. It fills me with awe, and takes my breath away.

[kenea]

I don't know how I stumbled across your channel, but I watch and like every single one of your videos. Thank you.

[MARLEYDIDIT]

i still need to read Graham Hancock's "Underworld", sitting on my shelf next to all the others - it's his thickest book and therefore the most daunting haha. Happy Memorial Day Chuck, thanks for another great video. and thanks to all our Vets for their service :D

[anitar]

Actually went snorkeling there today! Saw the grave he is talking about. It was amazing!!

[Doxymeister]

Such a beautiful and mysterious place! Ancient when the heroes fought...wow. Thank you, that was wonderful. And great Memorial Day, my friends!

[williamoldaker]

This place seems older than 5000bc, what an incredible place it must have been/is.

[ShortbusMooner]

I would venture to guess those straight structures are manmade walls.. Pretty cool, Chuck!

[Relaxeduniverce]

I have been there and i tell you this is huge! On the shore there are tombs on the rocks like caves that are of course ruins and the Greek goverment doesnt do anything! I am Greek...

[crazyrussianbot]

When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, the survivors in your country are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains, but those who, like you, live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea. -Timaeos

[tobystewart]

There is pretty strong evidence that Homer himself was from 1600 BCE, rather than the Age of Heroes he describes as ancient history.

Consider the issue of the boar's tusk helmet. In Homer's work, the Iliad, at 10.260–5, we find the following written:
"Meriones gave Odysseus a bow, a quiver and a sword, and put a cleverly made leather helmet on his head. On the inside there was a strong lining on interwoven straps, onto which a felt cap had been sewn in. The outside was cleverly adorned all around with rows of white tusks from a shiny-toothed boar, the tusks running in alternate directions in each row."

So what? So, boar's tusk helmets were common in the Mycenean age, or around 1600 BCE. They were exceedingly uncommon, even unknown, by the Greeks living in 800BCE and onwards.

Therefore, you need to make a reasonable choice. Was Homer aware of the Mycenean customs 800 years before his culture and time, or was he projecting the customs of his own time onto the characters in his story?

The former choice requires that Homer was quite the incredible anthropologist and scholar, and dramatic realist, one who knew what went on 800 years earlier "somehow". The latter choice simply dates Homer by the way he describes the way warriors dressed.

There is no question, the Illiad is about a far distant time. It is a myth, not a contemporary history. So, when was it written?

Here are some hints. Everyone has bronze weapons and armour, not iron. Horses are present, but not war chariots. Seems like a pretty weird way for someone 300 years into the iron age to write about war, no?

Lastly, there is the vexing issue of Sumerian texts, such as the epic of gilgamesh, which contain striking similarities with Greek myth, including the flood, and the wars between heroic men of great stature. Sumerian texts pre-date the bronze age (1600 BCE) by at least 1000 years, and those texts are describing ancient history.

So, in order to believe the modern conjecture that the Iliad refers to the Bronze age, that Troy happened around 1600, one needs to argue that there was no continuance between the ancient Sumerian literature (and Parthenon of deities) and Homeric Greek Myth.

That's a pretty extreme theory. It asks us to believe that some parts of the Homeric Greek myths are handed down from texts that date to 2600 BCE, while other parts of exactly the same myths are history written in 800 BCE, careful crafted to reflect the technology of the 1600s in the depiction of events.

Why are we expected to believe this extreme scenario?

So that some some archaeologist can say he found the city of Troy, and date it conveniently inside an established timeline of human history?

Homeric poems were handed down as song, as chants, long before literature. In this sense, they date themselves as precursors to the Mycenaeans, who had linear B, and the later Greeks. These myths were like the vedic tradition, like the dreamtime stories of the australian aborigines. Like Genesis, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, they record a great flood, a lost age of heroes, and like those stories, nobody ever claimed they were from the 1600s, certainly not the people who wrote them, until modern archaeology decided to force it's peculiar orthodoxy onto every piece of available evidence.

[jmp]

Nicely covered, thanks mate. Many others who cover this same site, absolutely fail.

[FrogInPot]

The "double wall" that you noticed is most likely natural beach rock formed from ancient shorelines, very similar to the Bimini "Road".
Thanks for your videos btw

[herbearle]

Cool. Happy Memorial Day to all. Peace.

[MrFmiller]

The amount of debris suggests sudden catastrophic inundation Perhaps the earthquake mentioned was a major subduction event. It would be interesting to find out how extensive the event was and whether other cities or settlements were also affected.

[christianbuczko]

Its not even close to being the oldest. Theres many sites far older and pre iceage. In the indian ocean theres a few examples. Dogger bank and the black sea also have occupation. Odds are, as the sea rose 50meters after the iceage and covered over 90% of human archeology from before 12000yrs ago.

[jcord]

Dating of submerged coastal cities at 3000 BC or less is problematic unless it could be shown there was some kind of huge seismic disturbance that caused the area to submerge. Otherwise, the only other likely plausible reason could be, yes, you guessed it: the Younger Dryas sea level rise. In that case, 11000 BC minimum. But that would be nuts, wouldn't it?

[deomeslives]

let me know when you want to go scuba diving in the Mediterranean Chuck!!👊🏽🤣👍🏽👍🏽 so much "covered up" 😉

[John-nbep]

2:47 isn't that photo from the yonaguni monument?

[transmissiondrive]

Thanks for the video. Just thought I would point out the picture at 2:42 is not from Pavlopetri. Also the pic from 3.29 to 4.00 is not from Pavlopetri (its a pic from a metal shipwreck) - the lines of beach rock in Vatika Bay (3.01 to 3.28) are indeed natural and mark the lines of ancient shorelines (there are actually three bands out into Vatika). 5.20 is also not a pic from Pavlopetri. All the best.

[brianaustin]

10, 000 years ago, the sea level was over 100 meters lower than it is now. Man likes to build in the shore - even today.