Chatham House Debate: Should Religion be Separate from State?

Chatham House Debate: Should Religion be Separate from State?

[CarlJr]

Zaineb just made herself sound incredibly immodest, by saying she sleeps around and drinks lol even in Western cultures, women drinking and sleeping around is looked down upon by many. She made Morocco sound like a very moral, and decent country. 😂😂😂👍👍👍

[SillyTubereal]

This issue can be resolved with a simple question.

_Did we intend our lives?_

If you wake up one day and find a car in your garage, what will be the first thing you do? Ask where the car came from or start doing whatever you want with it?

[sabr]

Asslamu Alaykum, I advise if that is music.

[MoTheDawahMan]

26:12 Zaineb just talking about how secular modern Arab-nations have double-standards doesn't reveal anything about Islam.

[blasty-gg]

-the lady is bringing personal anecdotes, and is straining Muslim position.
-bunch of straw men.
-the lady is arguing against theocracy but who is arguing for theocracy? it doesent follow using example of theocracy to argue for separation of religion from state.
-What culture will be deemed as universal culture? freedom is not forcing ur views(religious or non religious) upon some one else, liberty means i can wear what i want, to say no that is not in our culture makes it discriminatory cos he/she who is wearing that has the same right to freedom you have, thats liberty!
-The state is formed by people who pay taxes, therefore state should provide a framework which supports their needs (physical or spiritual)
-completely separating state from religion would entail eradicating religion completely or acting biased towards it hence forcing people to be free from religion(what a freedom)
-The correct view would be fairness towards every one(religious or non-religious)
-The lady says that religions have non adapted the views which modern states have, but why should they? the 1st principles on which these so called modern states are formed is liberalism, which means liberty to hold what beliefs u like! if you are arguing for freedom and then denying freedom of thought for religious people, you are not being liberal !
-The lady is constantly bringing anecdotes and straw-men and to use them is fallacious.
-She said the state doesn't only have the duty to guarantee the freedom of practicing a religion but to limit its practices(Did she forget she is arguing for separation?Cos to limit religious practices would mean state getting involved)
-She contradicted herself in so much ways, but to pin point one, she contradicted herself in her final remarks with the above statement.
-States should not enforce their beliefs on religious or non religious people !

[mdtalhaansari]

The best way to respond to cheap points is to not respond to them at all.

[bartimaeusnathaniel]

Democracy means : "respect others".

You believe in No God, then do what you believe. You believe in God, then you do what you believe. BUT you can not force anyone to believe what you believe. Thats against the human rights.

Every one should have freedom to do what they believe and no one has the right to stop them. Thats what we call freedom in civilization.

[BirdofHerms]

Absolute bullshit..
I LIVE in Egypt, and now you tell me the casinos are for tourists only, in Alexandria there is a new casino and any one 18+ can go in. If you hve lie so u can argue against these too gentlemen with your "expirieces" I recommend not debating with intellectual people like nick and abdullah

[letitiabrooks]

In a 21st century state, like Britain, that progressed from the historical Feudal and Oligarchic Trinity of God, Monarchy and Church (being the traditional power base norm for pre-industrial societies) to a nation of laws of men and democratic process through industrial revolution to modern day secularism, the state and the church must remain separate. For British society to reverse this process would reprisent a regressive step, back to the rule of a pre-scientific ideology of our ancestors, who saw the world as a supernatural place, that can only by known by God and man must stay in the Garden of Eden an not question the universe around him. Simply speaking, we did that, what we do now works better for us!

[socratesson]

Religion and state should be separated. Only if you want a successful society! That's the only reason we should ever think of separating religion and state. For all other cases go for it...!!!

[forestdecember]

In any democratic society, the state is and must be separated from religion. This is THE ONLY way to ensure equality of religious majorities and minorities and give the freedom of expression to the atheist part of the nation. Religions are not democratic. Each religion has an autocratic, dogmatic character and as such, each and every religion is a danger to the liberal and human rights for everyone that does not sign up to its dogma. And because religious dogmas are not compatible with each other, the dominance of one happens at the peril of the rest. Religious dogmas violate basic human rights of women to education, equal work opportunities, equal salary, or even to express themselves as they please by wearing clothes of their choice. Most religions violate human rights of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people. The human rights of children are widely violated by religions by child marriages, religious indoctrination from very young age, cruel punishments to mention few. Religions are the main force behind slowing down the progress of science and social reforms that affect the well-being of millions of people around the globe. Religion, therefore, must be separated from the state, and every effort ought to be made to educate each and every child in a secular school until the age of 18.