COMMAND THE SHADOWS: Rediscover Warlock in Turtle WoW's Classic+

Rediscover the Warlock class in Turtle WoW's new classic+ patch 1.17.2: Tower of Karazhan. With everything from massive class changes, to a new raid HARDER than Naxxramas—this patch is the biggest release of Classic+ content in WoW's history.

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Mysteries of Azeroth — is a fan-made expansion story for World of Warcraft Vanilla that delves deeper into exploring the original lore of the game. This expansion aims to take a different path from the Burning Crusade, emphasizing the familiar Azeroth of Vanilla WoW over the cosmic battle with the Burning Legion. While being heavily based on the lore from Warcraft 3 and Vanilla WoW, Mysteries of Azeroth seeks to enhance the game by adding content that matches the already well-established lore of Warcraft Universe.

Get ready for a brand-new adventure that will take you on a journey around Azeroth in a new story tailored to provide never-before-experienced adventures.

[SquirrelGamez]

Drain Soul as a main dps ability is not a good idea... They should've gone with Drain Life.
Even with the Soul Shards stacking to 3, using Drain Soul so much means you end up with tons of Soul Shards...
Quite happy with the Demonology changes, especially the Sacrifice being early.
Destruction changes are cool too, making Firelock a viable build.

[geoeook]

SL nerf is fine but uh it was supposed to be compensated with greater demons but they’re all unusable sooo it’s a straight nerf lol

[gordonreinz]

Leveling a warlock right now. Feels so good. Dots and fear spam go brrrr

[SvenS]

The Soul Bag change is so cool and unique

[Spirelord]

You have 1 affliction warlock using up 1/10 of the debuff limit on a boss in a 40 man raid. how did this get through any layer of decision making

[randomperson]

Infernals don't work, Soul Link doesnt work, Succbus is doing half its old dmg, as is Felhunter. Avoidance does not work because it is taught to your pet when you get it, so Warlocks that already existed don't get it. Dark Pact being gone ruins the leveling experience as affli. Everything about this patch completely ruined the HC leveling experience.

Why Nerf Warlock so hard and have all these undercooked ideas implemented without any real testing?

[xalberrious]

I love turtle and I am having fun, but please fix demonology, pets, and I do not play the other specs but I do not hear good things. I miss my old spells stone that let me cleanse and absorb magic

[Fourfingers]

Got my warlock to 60 but I'm not loving the new changes. Playing destruction I just felt like a worse mage, with a weak searing pain instead of a powerful firebolt. Affliction just feels bloated, three drain spells, 4 dots/curses, and no AOE.
Haven't tried demonology but I am not hearing a lot of positives.
I really appreciate and respect all the work and dedication that went into this patch and I have loved playing on turtle wow but I think this update missed the mark on warlock.

[Bobagx]

Locks got nerf stick almost as bad as shamans.

[kevtheoggamer]

I like the new demo lock

Edit: the affliction bias is real though

[marcinwolski]

affliction warlock is way more fun to play after the patch, idk what people are talking about lol

[michaelbowman]

So why did you remove Dark Pact? Are Warlocks just expected to go OOM now?

[nisalvare]

Really good changes Turtle Team, thank you again guys. longtime user since 2019 when it was just tents and RP

[seguisdumble]

The patch feels like a general downgrade for Warlocks.

Affliction -> Useless, mana costs are way too high. After one rotation, you're out 2k mana, which makes this spec barely sustainable.
Demonology -> Useless, pet survivability is still a major issue—even with the new avoidance, pets die too quickly, and greater demons feel clunky in actual gameplay.
Fire -> Good for dungeons or clearing trash, but the reliance on Searing Pain as a filler is a letdown. Overall, it feels weaker than previous builds.
Demonology/Ruin -> Decent but weaker than SM/Ruin due to the pet dying too easily, and greater demons feel ineffective without Soul Link.
DS/Ruin -> Useless, once a great option, now it’s not viable after the recent nerfs.
SM/Ruin -> The only spec that remains raid-viable. It's still similar to before, but even this spec saw nerfs that thankfully were reverted.

While the shard QoL changes are welcome, it’s clear that whoever designed these Warlock changes lacks basic knowledge of the class, and they haven't been open to feedback from the community.

New to Turtle WoW? Maybe try another class -> Warlocks are clearly not a priority here.

[flowermaze___]

Classic might be old as time itself but the classes are so established with builds, techniques, guides… I don’t know it’s a good idea to be changing classes fundamentally… add more content, quests, lands for sure but the classes?

[suspicioussalad]

Really shoulda made drain life the bread and butter for affliction, as now my bags are suffering and it is very annoying, a soul bag would only be a bandaid

[Trinax]

20% SL in no resilience gear meta is crazy. This isn't TBC.

[dannyp]

They killed my Demonology Warlock with this patch. It was a mistake to overhaul so much in 1 patch. The first round of class changes was much better, as they simply took Vanilla and tweaked a bit on it. Now it's quickly becoming something else entirely. It would've been much better to do small changes more frequently, and check if they fit, instead of forcing through so much at once. Sure, introducing new specs and playstyles is OK. It's Vanilla+ after all. But killing off specs that have been part of Vanilla for many years is not OK.

Edit: It's also better to buff underperforming specs instead of nerfing specs that are fine. No one likes having their class or race nerfed.

[JemuzuDatsWho]

Now that we're a month in how do these changes feel yall?

[hoopdedo]

I feel like destructions damaging abilities arent very synergistic and unlike the new frost talents the rotation for demonology isnt screaming out the way it should be played like it was frostmage it still feels like i just need to spam shadowbolt just like original vanilla...it isnt fun

Also
Reduce the mana cost for affliction