10 Differences Between CNC Spindles & Routers (I Use Both)

Going over the differences of a spindle and a palm router on your hobby cnc machine.
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10:34 Discounts
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[NWGR]

Thanks for the comparison Hamilton, very informative and much appreciated.
Back when amazon had the makita routers for $73 I grabbed three of them and sold the fixed bases to make them even cheaper. A spindle is in the cards for me sometime down the line, but seeing how much you did with "just" the makita has given me the confidence to know I'll be fine with those for quite a while as I get my CNC side hustle up and running.
Thanks for all your CNC content!

[jameshenderson]

Love all of your content. I just replaced my journeyman with a Makita. Now I have an elite journeyman with stiffy, z-20 slider, and PwnCNC 220 water cooled spindle with a cw3000 chiller. The differences are worth every dollar. No more screaming router with a chattering end mill. I cut my G.O.A.T. Spoil board with a 3/8 ‘‘em on a 1/2” shank at 21000 rpm’s and 100 IPM - cut that mdf like butter. I am using a PwnCNC V9 dust boot which sucks really well. I like the hose behind the spindle so I can see what’s happening. I have a Harvey G700 which runs around 70 db at 60% which is what I need for sufficient suction.

[garrydye]

I will add that my router shakes the entire house in terms of noise. It is light years louder than my dust collector. I so wish I would have spent the extra money and got the spindle upgrade when I bought my shopsabre CNC. I 'm upgrading now with a Chinese spindle and just now got it delivered...solely for the noise reduction. If you buy a CNC....trust me...go with the Spindle. The router will drive you absolutely insane after a while, especially if you have your set up in the garage and you have a wife and/or kids. I literally use my CNC maybe 5% as much as I would like to because I do want want to fire it up and have to listen to that router screaming away for hours and hours in the house to do a single project.

[Mr.GucciClassA]

Absolutely amazing! One of your best projects yet!👌

[GotCamel]

Why am I blowing on my phone while watching these cuts?!?

[RoboArc]

Glad I took some desgine ideas from that same cnc before I desgined my own 3d printed cnc.

Spindle is where it's at though. 1.5kw 110v spindles are pretty good and come in ER20 collets. Definitely enough for most aluminum milling.

500 watt spindle is like 100$ and will get you into aluminum. You won't be taking more than a 3mm cut, but fr thats a lot anywyas for a hobby machine.

[billnoname]

thanks, very helpful explanation. My machine is getting put together now, once I really learn I'll goto a spindle since speed will matter for business.

[bearsstuff]

One of the interesting metrics at the end of the year to see is if your editing time goes down due to knowledge, experience, etc. Or even if the amount of time it takes you to film, can you do your videos in fewer takes? Definitely along for the ride.

[dirkwhoward]

I appreciate the insight on the water cooled spindle. I think that the possible improvement on dust collection could be worth the hassle of setting up the cooling.

[rharris]

Yeah, what NW said. Great to hear how well you did using a router-based cnc, and how you graduated to a professional grade spindle as your business grew.
I am amazed at how much information you packed into that speech without becoming either boring or unintelligible. If you decide to change careers I recommend infomercial pitchman or rap star! 😂

[formulaspd]

I used a chinese 6040 cnc that included a water cooled spindle, I used it daily for 4 years, and the thing just worked, it held up to thousands if bit changes

[tayseersharief]

Highly appreciate your video, you pretty much answered all the questions here. Thank you!

[dronefootage]

great video, i learned a lot, which is rare these days on youtube

[markhamilton]

This was an excellent explainer — I learned a lot. Thank you for the detailed work you put into crafting this video.

[rhalfik]

What a great summary! All that info in one place.

[kevinwillis]

its easy to sound insulate a dust collector using an enclosure, or putting your dust collector outside in its own shed, so you always get a quieter sound when its running.

[JasonPeltier]

I purchased the PwnCNC 220v water-cooled during their sale a few weeks ago. Still need to "purchase" the CNC... and wait a few months for delivery.

Gotta say, I was intrigued with the 1F Elite Foreman by the videos that Two Moose Design put out. But your videos sealed the deal. There's a lot of new tech in this machine that is amazing.

[stevecarlisle]

Interesting, as there are a few European spindles like KRESS brand, consumer power tool motors. The noise from the router is caused by the Fan/blower designed to keep it kool, and keep the wood dust out. And also there are companys that offer ATC for the ends of these consumer power tool motors

[bootstrappyworkshop]

FYI, if you step up to the 2-1/4HP router from Makita instead of the 1-1/4HP you can use the Musclechuck quick change collet system. Makes changing bits an absolute dream compared to the two wrenches and you can still go up to 1/2in bits. I have both, and very soon I will be buying an FM30 ATC from CNC Depot.

[timthomas]

Noise pollution in a shop environment can be supplemented by placing a couple noisy pieces outside. They may need to be placed in a cage, wall cabinet, insulated or a cooling fan. I've seen air compressors and dust collection systems both placed outside in cabinets that have sound baffles on all of the surfaces. rubber spring foundation lifters can also eliminate vibrations through the floor.