Is Warhammer Underworlds getting CANCELLED?!

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[eggiwegs]

My understanding it was all hands on deck for AOS 4, and when that’s off and running it will be back to business as usual

[mr.e.]

Keep in mind that when AoS 3 dropped Harrowdeep wasn't announced until the 16th September

[stevenray]

Given the popularity of Underworlds I'm surprised we've not yet seen a 40K version.

[Spinnerite]

So a few things to note, Underworlds has a new play format coming up in the next white dwarf so there’s an article coming there.
Warhammer community has said to “watch this space for a divine release” for Underworlds.
The stockist part, this is completely normal for things to be taken out when they’re sold out, I’m a stockist and this is completely normal to see things removed. The 5 things removed are older things and even the starter set has been flying off my shelves lately because of Sepulchral Guard being the best HO warband and the two very nice anti RWB boards.
They do not recast for older stuff especially when it comes to things with cards. Skabbiks got a new run recently as that was out of stock for weeks and then available again, they wouldn’t redo Skabbiks if they thought it was on the way out.

[johanderyck]

My Underworlds gaming group has been talking about this a lot lately. I think: yes we’ll keep playing (and after a while finally go from Nemesis to Championship again), BUT: no new players means it will slowly fade out when people naturally stop in the group (becoming parent, moving, …).

[mattbruce]

Thanks lads. Insightful as ever. I think Nemesis format has UW in the best spot it has ever been. It is a fantastic beer and pretzels game that suffers under the "ultimate competitive miniatures game" tag line. I have made enough mates that I think will continue to play it casually even after GW support fades. I have enough warbands to keep me painting for many years. :) The sadder thing will be when I only get to watch old content from you two. :)

[Nexagon]

Yes! This is exactly the kind of sensationalism I'm looking for on YouTube 😂
On the topic: GW would be shooting their own foot cancelling this successful top-of-the-funnel game!

[polyfission]

No Underworld planned at the NOVA event. I think this speaks volume, unfortunately. As for me, I am sort of glad it is cooling off. It was getting difficult to keep up with all the new warbands and card packs. That'll give me time to paint them all (I am still working on shadespire and other early seasons stuff, LOL). I'll keep playing for years to come and you should too!

[timunderbakke]

I’m honestly not that worried because everything else went silent. GW has given us no info on 40k for a long time - 6 months ago we got a roadmap leading to a “redacted” codex and just last week we got what that was. We don’t know when the next things will be, and for 40k that is extremely unusual.

I’d keep playing underworlds regardless. It’s the only minis game I’ve been able to slot into a lunch with a coworker.

[Phalanx]

So right now every GW games is kind of flying in the dark as we haven't had a preview show in months as GW keeps their focus on pushing AoS 4. I think part of this shift in focus is GW trying to rally after having some serious logistical delays that set back loads of releases (like KT and Warcry sets got delayed by entire seasons).

Also, if it brings any comfort it leaked a a few months back that GW recently copy righted the name "Mosscairn" which is an Underworlfs name right there if I ever heard one. It does seem like a general lapse in communication right now as they try to handle production delays.

[andyrogers]

We wrapped our six-week Underworlds league two weeks ago. We had 21 players total with a weekly peek of 17 players.

Roughly 1/3 of those players were brand new to the game and most of those are committed to participating in our Warcry narrative campaign starting in August.

It would be insane to cancel this game. I also think it’s insane that GW doesn’t have a similar on-ramp for the sci-fi side of the hobby.

[asmcelhinney]

Card printing costs is likely a massive reason why Underworlds seems to have gound to a halt. There'll be a finite budget for that resouce recently eaten by 40k index cards, 40k mission cards (twice over), AoS index cards, Aos Spearhead cards... Underworlds, Warcry and Spearhead are in a weird overlapping space as well. Plus Warcry recently had a metawatch article after a load of warbands were binned. It's very confusing. Underworlds may end up like Adeptus Titanicus, unofficially unsupported whilst a similar product takes its place.

[DrButsie]

Great video, love the back and forth on the topics!!

[zmindrick]

I have over 20 cool warbands, many rival decks… I need no more warbands, new decks for old warbands and new rivals are enough for me 👍🤩👍

[jergoodman]

At this point, I'd be fine with slowing new warband releases if they focused on updating and releasing the old ones like in RotMC. Really want a Wurmspat rerelease

[inigodearcos]

I got into Underworlds just a couple of months ago and I love the game, I really hope they keep it going for long!!

[timunderbakke]

Alternative conspiracy theory I thought of after I walked away!

The game may be “complete” from a miniature and rules perspective but…. They’re going to go back and redo more of the old warbands and have regular stock of things. So new runs of all the old warbands who lack a rivals deck getting one. Then they may or may not just keep rotating through new universal decks.

Just a thought for something with no new product per se except for the missing cards to get a rivals deck. I know there’s some oldies I’d love a chance at that I missed

[christopherkruse]

I think taking the warbands out of AOS is to see how much the underworlds stuff sells to just underworlds players. It could be that AOS players buying warbands is the lions share of it sales. The lack of communication is because they are waiting to see how it plays out to decide if its to be canceled.

[Snyback]

Here locally the game died years ago... I don't want to be too negative, but... With prices of boxes going up and the avalanche of new stuff literally our entire community got priced out of the current competitive "mode".

And this is the kind of game that attracts competitive players, I think. Without tournaments firing the vast majority of people moved on to something else.

Personally I can't even find domeone to get a friendly game in anymore, which is sad - this wasthe one GW game I actually enjoyed.

Well at this point I also got into other games, which I can luckily easily get as many games in as I want. We have a largy Conquest: The last argument of kings community and a small, but very excited Malifaux group going :)

[Karloss]

There are currently nine products for Underworlds; 5 teams, 2 starter sets and 2 decks of cards. Looks like it's winding down.