The Live Service Horizon Game Deep Dive - Luke Reacts

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[Gamer-in-a-onesie]

Remember, Sony truly believed Concord was a premium live service game. That should raise skepticism.

[DJ-wlqo]

Horizon was so much cooler to me when it was one game

[sanmedina]

you don't get it, it's aimed at hardcore Monster Hunter fans that never played Monster Hunter before...

[j-martradio]

The problem is… you don’t do all these projects until the series is already immense. That’s how a VR, a LEGO, a live service has any shot at all. Those are things that need to be earned and warranted… if it’s done too fast, it just looks desperate and dumb. It actually reflects terribly on the IP because everyone can see through it.

[OG_McLovin]

"So we've got this franchise where you fight robot dinosaurs with exploding arrows and grappling hooks. How can we mess this up?"

[EXMachina.]

I played Horizon and honestly think the backstory of how did the world ended is more interesting than the main story itself that kinda deserves a prequel that sets in during the fall of humanity. Is not often we hear the "Gray Goo" apocalypse scenario around.

[ZerHour]

Horizon is literally the Avatar of video games. Apparently a lot of people buy it, but literally nobody ever talks about it and it has no cultural impact at all. I got the first one on deep discount, 100%'d it, but I literally never think about it unless someone else brings it up.

[merriospas]

I mean... I don't hate Horizon.

But I really wanna see a good Killzone game back.

[bob]

The saddest thing about horizon is it hasn't been used as the industry standard for graphics. There's 0 reason more games shouldn't look as good as horizon does

[sleepwellmychild]

As a die hard Monster Hunter fan, I really don't think there's any chance anything overtakes it. Optimization aside, it's basically perfect, and it has like 20 years of history and time to have been refined and perfected.

[japhetaguirre]

Horizon is like the industry plant of the video game industry. 😂

[lilBugger]

I like Horizon for being a single player game.

[jubei]

For me, Aloy's biggest problem is they wrote her as if she were an upper-middle class white chick from Portland. In a savage wilderness, no one would be like that. No one. She just doesn't fit in that world & so the whole thing falls flat. This game will be yet another quarter Billion Dollar+ flop for Sony.

[SarahSnow]

I remember reading a comment somewhere in the Internet that Horizon is an industry plant franchise, and honestly that's always the vibe I've gotten from the franchise.

[PeterYoung-kb]

Why do people say that "Aloy is a Mary Sue?" In both games, she has important story points where she nearly loses and gets injured. She's only saved by others or luck. And she's incredibly insecure in the game. You see it in how she's not willing to accept that she has to rest or get help. She's got a chip on her shoulder through both games. As for NPCs to seem to really like her, it seems to just be the nature of this world that everyone either hates people or are very flirty. She's not too over-powered either. She spent her entire childhood training to win the Proving. Additionally, she tells people her opinion all the time and butts in where she shouldn't, but it's not like everyone immediately takes her advice and falls for her. She butts heads with plenty of people. She also isn't very accepting of other people's cultures.

I'm okay if people don't like the games or her character, but to say she's a Mary Sue feels disingenuous. People can criticize her. I often do. But a Mary Sue? That's missing the mark.

[richiemanuta]

Loved the first horizon. I haven't gotten around to the sequel yet but all of this is unnecessary; Sony really shouldn't be oversaturating the brand before the third game comes out.

[nerobiblios]

In a post MH Wilds era, you'd need to make something extremely impressive to even survive the "death by comparison". Capcom has a lot of experience with the Monster Hunting genre, they've experimented and found out what works and what doesn't, you can't get that kind of experience easily.

[Isaakmedextraa]

Horizon is like a technically well made dish but you didn't add the salt.

[cmplex_Ale]

The logic is hilarious. Build a franchise's reputation around polished single player experiences, then make a multiplayer live service game because that's exactly what the people that enjoyed the single player games are looking for. Brilliant.

[SilentiumCivis]

Guerrilla is sitting on a gold mine with 1 thing they do best at so much so Kojima noticed it; Their Decima engine. They need to start getting more devs to use it, its better than UE5 & it’s optimization is genuinely amazing