Java Bootcamp and then NO JOB!

So a guy spends big money (I am guessing $5000-$10,000) on a Java based bootcamp with Angular and can't find work!! Why?

There could be a few reasons, but I discuss the most likely in this video.

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[FISS]

Learning java to do freelance work is like showing up for a lazer game with a real bazuka

[manny]

In Europe they literally pay you, and give you a job at the government / big company, for learning angular and spring boot.

[archiemisc]

The main issue is the fact that HR for most companies automatically filter out resumés that don't have a degree. I would say his best bet is to go through a recruitment agency.

[sapientum]

From my experience, in enterprise-level IT consulting, it's about 70% people skills and 30% technical skills. And that's a conservative estimate.

[lourdesm.velandia-calderon]

Stephan - Thank you for putting this out. For a mid-lifer starting from zero this is valuable insight because time is of the essence. After watching several of your videos I am leaning towards learning web development and definitely freelancing. So I am taking notes and paying much attention but I still have a lot of questions so I appreciate all the videos that you put out.

[lumdermaku]

There's something very important that is missing from that question: location of where he lives/where he applied to work in. This is highly important since at least where i live, if you're moderately skilled in the stack the guy "studied", at least you'll get an internship from one of the biggest (well, among-highest paying) companies here, which is a branch of a company from Germany (that uses similar stack for a full-stack position - they refer to it as software engineer for some reason). If you prove yourself for a couple of months, they'll offer you a job as a junior dev. This is the case with most (if not all) software dev companies here where i live (not a 3rd world country but not highly developed anyway), there are also 3 branches of US companies (that i'm aware of) that also pay higher than normal for a full stack position (nodejs, react js, postgresql, ...etc, you get the point). CS/CE degree will definitely guarantee in this case that you'll get an internship but without a degree, if you have done some projects to prove that you at least know the basics of what you studied in that bootcamp, you'll most likely get an internship that will lead to a job.

[algeriennesaffaires]

I faced the same problem 4 years ago after lerning java and python, thats why i and learned learned php and JavaScript and html css, but still after 3 years cant get a job even i have an associate degree, the problem is these bootcamps and course sellers are scammers its a new scamming way now, everyone is creating courses and bootcamps and selling fake dreams

[eli-sv]

This is so important to understand. So glad you’ve talked about this. A lot of people have a big understanding.

[peli]

Great content brotha 👍!!! Keep it going. I have you saved for alerts because in the next month or two I go full force and need someone knowledgeable such as yourself to know the real deal.

[badkar]

Im working directly in financial institution where they are using java and spring Technologies for their apps. So in the interview i told them im coding with C# and dot net and they said that's ok we have some apps so your akills will be valuable but u can learn java and spring in preparation time. Till this moment i haven't done any java codes for my company but i do coding in my free time for prototyping and testing. Why? Because my company deeling with vendors to do the coding and we as direct staff we do DevOps, continuous integration and troubleshooting. And that's helps me alot. So for those who have a java spring training but still didnt get a job in big companies, i suggest you to find a job with software company (vendors) who are deeling with big company. And once they see your valuable skills they will hire you.

[guitarman]

I unfortunately am finding myself in the same position now. As well as in the past. As Stefan says, large national and multi-national corporations never hire candidates with zero or little experience, regardless if they have a technical degree or not. Even for "junior" positions. From their perspectives, one has to understand that these types of businesses have huge pressures on their shoulders to deliver on their work. So because of that, hiring an individual who is seen as being very raw or green is a big risk for them. Even if that particular candidate does possess some very good skills. And in the latest technologies, such as Spring Boot and React/Angular.

It is therefore best if one is in the above position applies for jobs in small-medium sized businesses. These businesses not only would be more accepting of candidates with less experience. But may also be able to provide them with more support when compared to larger corporations. Which despite the latter category's top-level training, expect new hires to simply get on with things and deliver the moment that they walk through the door and join the company.

So yes, keep learning important technologies used in business. Like the list above. But be very realistic on which companies to apply for. This is even more important now considering the COVID-19 pandemic. Where many companies have reduced staff and so have fewer and fewer positions available for experienced candidates. Let alone new hires!

[dominik-urban]

Heureka! The Ruby joke at 2:50 is only displayed. It‘s getting tougher this time. But founded it. What a relief 😅

[nicbarnaby]

Stef, you always dispense the hard truth. Thanks for helping us the see the real development world.

[angular-developer-et]

I am looking at Bootcamp advertizing in my country now. "For two weeks You will study Java, Spring, Angular, MySql".
Are you serious ? You don't need to be a big expert to understand that this is fake training. $ 1, 000 for what ?

[AshikaUmanga]

Can you do a video on Data Engineering. Technologies like Apache Spark, Hadoop, Presto, Snowflake, Druid, Dremio, Datalakes, Delta-lakes, Streaming technologies like Flink, Kafka, Pulsar..etc

[sajanah]

This is a very important video for newbies like me Stefan. I literary started learning coding with Java and then Spring. But I turned to learning python and JS because they had more openings and opportunities. Nobody talks about this.. What to learn as a self-taught newbie to ease into the market.

[stanleyextra]

Java...too SERIOUS!!
Top Enterprise level Languages:
1.Java(the granddaddy of Enterprise level languages)
2.C++
3.C#
4.Scala
5.Not Ruby

[wilkyarny]

With time and the increase of data, I think there's gonna be a need for all firms to have a really good backend infrastructure to support the big data management and Java is here for the purpose. having a really good background in those technologies is not a waste of time. For small business it would be in a near future a blasting skill for them. They are in need of growth and they will come around with big data challenges sooner or later. For instance migration from mysql to Hadoop environment to store unstructured data would be in demand or fetching Api from mongodb with spring boot also would be a great deal for companies who are willing to growth accordingly to the market needs.

[Allaboutdatps]

Glad this was posted, was in the midst of learning java and pursuing a boot camp for it. JavaScript it is.

[GodsNode]

Good point. I've been flat out told by a hiring manager for an analyst role "yeah when I worked at Capital One we had an automatic filter if you had a Computer Science degree or not".