Muslim asks if Jesus claimed to be GOD😲 #god #askcliffe #jesus #religion #bible #shorts

Muslim asks if Jesus claimed to be GOD😲 #god #askcliffe #jesus #religion #bible #shorts

[laithalhebsi]

Christain religion is the only religion based on conclusion. Jesus never say i am god or worship me.

[shahnazt]

No my dear sister, Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God. He is a prophet just like, Adam (peace be upon him), Moses ( peace be upon him), Abraham (peace be upon him), David (peace be upon him), Noah (peace be upon him), Jacob (peace be upon him) and Mohammad (peace be upon him).

[GLlN]

But Jesus uses metaphors all the time
Why should we take these verses literally

[bdurrrr]

Jesus only spoke like this according to John, which is the least historical of the four gospels by consensus. Many sayings have been attributed to Muhammed as well, but we need to differentiate between true and false claims, which is nearly impossible with the anonymous claims from the gospel writers.

[spiropsaila]

God is made up of three personalities, the father, the son and the holy ghost.

[nasirh]

1. "Before Abraham was, "I AM”  cannot be taken as a declaration that Jesus  is God.  The same  God who talked  to Moses.
The interpolation is weak, as it inserts something unrelated, a different circumstance, and nature into something else.

2. In Exodus 3:14, God didnt  say " I AM ". He said “ I AM WHO I AM, ” .

3. In the same verse, God did not reveal Himself as God or say 'I am God'. He was responding to Moses, telling him that "He is what He is", the same God whom their forefathers already knew. He was answering Moses, to tell his people (Israelites) that he did not bring a new kind of God, but the same God of their forefathers.

4. In John 8:58, 'I am' was interpreted as if Jesus were introducing himself. The topic was about Abraham and whether or not Jesus had seen him.  The sentence is not literal because Abraham lived some 2, 000 years before Jesus. Everyone was aware that Abraham had passed away (verse 52). Interpreting it literally would not make sense.
The sentence implied whether Jesus had knowledge of Abraham and his teachings. They were conversing about spiritual matters at the temple. What Abraham taught and What Jesus brought.

Jesus  was trying to  explain to them  that his God is  the same as Abraham's God.( "the God they claimed to be theirs"-verse 54, " yet they  know Him not" - verse 55)

They were not talking about Jesus' nature or existence.

5. Jesus answered, "before Abraham was,   I Am". Not his physical presence before Abraham, but  the  knowledge  he possesses of what was put forth  by God before  Abraham. (" He said he would be a liar like them, if he said he did not know   "-verse 55)

The Pharisees were dissatisfied. Despite Jesus young age (not yet fifty years old-verse 57), he had "seen" (had better knowledge of ) Abraham (and his teachings)-verse 57.
A disrespect towards the elders and knowledgeable Pharisees.



6. " I Am" (that I posses)". Jesus's knowlege of the divine words of God, the 'Preserved Tablet'  which God promised   before beginning of  time .(Titus 1:2 )

"in the hope of eternal life,  which God, who does not lie,  promised before the beginning of time" Titus1:2

So, events in Exodus 3:14 cannot be interpolated into John 8:58. 

7. The words  are implicit.
The use of almost similar words does not necessarily imply that he was proclaiming himself to be God.  Egō Eime (" I am")  is commonly translated as "It is me” or “I am the one, ”

The use of implicit statements or words cannot be used on its own  to imply something of such an important stature.  It causes serious misrepresentation and consequences, as one's faith lies in it.

8. Implicit statements or words cannot stand alone and cannot be supported by other implicit statements or words. Implicit statements or words cannot be interpreted in a literal manner. It must have meanings within its context, be logical, and coherent.  To avoid any ambiguity, it's necessary to support it with other explicit statements. It's interpretation should not contradict any other explicit statements.


9. Despite  unrelated events in Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 , the words "I Am " has special meanings.
'I Am' is a subset of 'I Am Who I Am'. 

This   suggests that Jesus  did possess something divine, the divine words of God, the "Knowledge", the "Book"( The 'Preserved Table'  that existed before the beginning of time, which God later sent to all  his messengers.)

Meaning, Jesus was given the power to carry out God's mission on earth. To put it simply, a messenger of God. This interpretation can be supported by  other explicit statements about Jesus. Example.
Malachi 3:1 (Jesus came to this earth as a Messenger from God the Father).


Summary:

Jesus was not God, but he had the divine words of God. Messenger of God. It's not accurate to suggest that Jesus existed before Abraham.

Christians have the tendency  to interpret the words and sentences  in the Bible at face value,   in a literal manner. This makes the doctrines of Christendom upside down and does not make sense.

Let's pretend that the Bible is a road map, and it instructs the driver to go straight at the next roundabout. By taking it literally, the driver goes straight over the roundabout. So what  will happen?
You were on board the bus.

Imagine what your spiritual journey would be like if you were on this bus. Will you arrive at your destination in Paradise?

By using common sense, being logical, coherent and explicit, you cannot be wrong.

[nasirh]

1.Lets interpret John 14:9
".. Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father..."

2. If you interpret this statement literally, it's false because if you see someone, they can't be someone else. The statement is implicit in its nature. It cannot be taken literally.

3. What does it imply?  We must examine its context.

In subsequent verses, Jesus talks about the words he said (verse 10) and the works he had done (verse 11). Jesus mentioned that those who believe in him will do the same works as he has been doing, and they will even do more (verse 12).

Meaning, the people around him had doubts about his teachings. If they believe in God, they would be more enthusiastic and willing to do more.

4.  Jesus had a hard time preaching his Gospel.  Anyone who has known him (through his words and works) should  know that his teachings are from God. He even had difficulty convincing  his close followers.

5. Philip, despite following Jesus for a long time, still didn't believe him. He wanted proof. He wanted Jesus to show him God so that he would be convinced (Verse 8).

Of course, Jesus won't be able to show  him one.  Metaphorically, Jesus said to him, 'Anyone who has seen me,   has seen God. ' Not literally, because none of Jesus' disciples   had ever called him God.


6. So  "To Know Jesus is to Know God "
This can be seen in  the verses that precedes  John 14:9
John 14:6 “... No one comes to the Father except through Me."
John 14:7, “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”

If you follow the context, it's all about believing in Jesus to be with God.

7 . For the sake of argument, let's interpret John 14:9 literally. If you see Jesus, then you see God. But this raises serious questions.

First.  What is the nature of God that Jesus represents? He has physical limitations.
Then you will say that in his human form he is limited. This means, literally, that in his human nature, he is not God.  God is not constrained by the limits of space and time.

Second. This interpretation contradics John 1:18 which says "No man hath seen God at any time;" This latter statement is explicit because you cannot define it in any other ways.

8. But you will say, 'God can do anything'. He can become a man.  . If you start thinking this way, it will cause serious problems. Because whatever nonsense you interpret, that is, God.
It's nothing to do with God. It is your misinterpretation and misrepresentation that is the problem.


To avoid contradictions, Jesus cannot be God.

8.You must put criteria or standards to your interpretations. As  human being, one must interpret  the  scriptural verses  in a "human way", something what our brains can process and compute, being  logical and  coherent.

Implicit statements or words cannot be interpreted in a literal manner. It must have meanings within its context, be logical, and coherent.  To avoid any ambiguity, it's necessary to support it with other explicit statements. It's interpretation should not contradict any other explicit statements.

Summary.

John 14:9 implys, Anyone who has "seen me"
(Know Jesus),   has "seen the Father." (knows  God).

So, Jesus is not God!. But  to be close with  God, one has to believe in Jesus.

[bmans]

Jesus us not God. Bible clearly states it