How the Orcs became recognized as 'People' #lore #theelderscrolls #orcs #skyrim #oblivion #tes

[nrsh]

That is actually a rare piece of TES lore I don't remember ever hearing from Fudgemuppet or Camel or EpicNate. I only knew they weren't originally a playable race and they weren't respected much historically, but I didn't know they actually couldn't have citizenship.

[jellyfishrage]

That's why I love them. The Orc always has his back the wall, and they've had to literally fight for the tiniest respects.

[bravalloy]

Please, keep in mind that in Daggerfall we could talk to and befriend a lot of species, like impish, daedric and orcish. So they were intelligent, just not citzens of the Empire.

[Caged_Viking]

So fun fact: theoretically the Warp in the West physically changed history to make Orcs people and gave them a Kingdom, alongside making Talos and making Mannimarco a God

[Realkiroker]

This is due to a complicated situation that involves the fact that when the Aldmer came to Tamriel they’d already named a specie orcs (most likely some sort of ancient race of goblins). This was before some of the elf’s that went after what would become the dark elf’s, embraced the curse that made malacath. The original orcs probably went extinct or most people didn’t know what they look like so they just assumed that orsimers where orcs. Thought the real reason is multiple writers and change of lore as the series goes on, but that’s a boring answer.

[Otterdisappointment]

Bretons are just like “how do you do fellow mer folk?”

[namelesscompadre]

Orcs are honestly one of the most interesting races to me, especially the backstory of how they came to be. When Trinimac was transformed into Malacath, the sect of Aldmer that chose to continue following him despite his change had their own physiologies changed in kind, becoming the Orcs. This is also when the genealogical split happened between the Aldmer, the Chimer, and the Orsimer, because the Trinimac worshipping Aldmer that abandoned his worship chose instead to follow the one who consumed and changed him, Boethiah, turning them into the Chimer.

[frogtank]

the entire "they weren't seen as a people" is entirely because they were monsters before Morrowind. its the writers way of explaining things.

[spookness]

Love how it shows Elder Scrolls Online while talking about Orcs and then showing Uriel with the Oblivion theme all in the background regardless this is interesting

[joffles]

Damn I love how much lore these games have that aren’t even in the actual games, they’re just there for lorebuilding. I would love to be the loremaster or whatever he’s called at Bethesda

[stumpytheviolator]

That's because orcs are portrayed as a common fantasy villain, they are to design, most variations are simplistic by nature.
Making them a playable race and giving them some real lore, that was a bold move back in the day.
Now it's pretty common, thank Tolkien for that, having orcs portrayed as an easy fantasy villain.
Orcs are interesting with how far they have come, our generation specifically 80s onwards have seen the proverbial villain grow into an extremely fleshed out race with it's own cultures, backstories and history.

[demiurgedddd]

Love how in Tes they're essentially warrior varient of elves

[jowolf]

It's kind of crazy to think that despite existing for centuries (if not millennia) and being a race of elves themselves (corrupted, but mer nonethless) the Orsimer weren't considered a sentient people, let alone citizens until shortly before the events of Morrowind and Oblivion (roughly 200-220 years prior to Skyrim). I hadn't known this, but it definitely explains some things.

[RayAkuma]

, ,hello, my name is Ugku Shugg Bukhur"
, ,wait you ain't no person"

[Zajin]

I always thought of it as the orcs being the strong independent tribefolk (who don’t need no gosh darn imperial government!) and were just hired as mercenaries in the legion from time to time. Later on they just thought „if i am already stuck at this outpost for 10 years i might as well get some land and marry“

[crywlf]

Hoping the Reachmen one day get the Orc treatment, seeing as in lore both they and the Bretons see themselves as having diverged enough to be considered separate races

[TheMagnumDon]

You forgot to mention that Gortwog did this by using the Numidium after The Protagonist of Daggerfall gave him the controller as one of the possible endings. Since the Warp of The West was essentially all of Daggerfall's endings becoming true, that's why it's canon that Mannimarco became a God, Zurin Arctus finally passes and Gortwog establishes Orcs as a Official Race.

[LordAnestis]

Let’s be honest here, 20 years ago nobody believed that Orcs could be normal folks.

[dragonbornascended]

When you think about it, Malacath is more of a father figure to the Orcs, so he isn't really evil.

[jorgedeanoperez]

To be fair, whenever I'm riding through High Rock and stumble upon an Orcish stronghold, they come out in droves to try and kill me just for walking near it. I can see why would they see and treat them as beasts