Kirk Durston, Chrisitan argument NOT God of the gaps??? (NEW LIVE)

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[kosgoth]

I feel like the entire issue of his argument is he's assuming, as theists often do, that the universe is the full set of natural things. That's a major leap.

[MikeHoran-thud]

Kirk: Its not a god of the gaps argument, its a false dichotomy...", then gives a god of the gaps argument over and over.

[cygnusustus]

"A or B" is not a true dichotomy.
"A or not-A" is a true dichotomy. It's astounding that these people have advanced degrees in philosophy.

[TheCannoth]

Kirk seems like a nice guy but a gibberish woo machine.

[charlieinwhite]

i was hoping you spelled kirsten dunst wrong

[HansMaier-zigp]

I don’t understand what is so difficult to say „we don‘t know“? Maybe there are axioms we didn’t uncover or we will never uncover. The univers is so big, is it posible there are phänomena we have Never Seen, and we had never to discribe. So our Theorie‘s aren‘t complete yet? I thaught sience is to discribe Reality with out infrencing the easy Way (God(i))?

[anzu]

A claim that the cosmos can’t create itself. No creator needed

[thefub]

Omg we don't even know if there was an origin of nature 😂 but this guy has solved what causes universes 😅😅😅

[Sabledoux]

How dare Tom make this man think a little more.

[HarryNicNicholas]

what conjuring trick is this, tjump with two premieres simultaneously?

[adamruuth]

Man, if this person only would understand that even if HE is not convinced its a god of the gaps argument: People that disagree with him will NEVER be convinced if THEY consider it a god of the gaps.

Which makes his pursuit kind of useless. Why not make an argument that doesnt appear to be god of the gaps then? This argument is done.

[MyContext]

New fallacy needed

*Appeal to Imagination:* Any argument wherein there is a cause or effect which has NOT BEEN SHOWN to be an aspect of reality and yet is claimed as a cause or effect with regard to some state of reality.
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This idea encompasses the idea of "appeal to fiction", since, the idea is NOT restricted to claims involving fictional things and/or effects.

God has not been shown to be an aspect of reality and thus use of such as an explanation is an assertion in need of substantiation that such exists such that such can be rationally considered a cause.

[rabbitpirate]

The laws of logic are descriptions of the nature of reality. It is the nature of reality that is the most fundamental and which allows for all the other things, not the laws we came up with that describes that nature.

[flurry]

Maybe next time try to give his baby example with a robot ai that has a non standard logic built in. Maybe then he gets that it is possible

[JoyRBradford]

I have watched this two times
It is still a god of the gaps argument.

[jonathanpark]

Its not god of the gaps if the gap gets bigger, so its god of the chasm?

[davenchop]

if i have a cat and i say its not really a cat.. its still is a cat
if i say its not god of the gaps.. it really is still just god of the gaps
saying its not doesnt change the reality of the issue

[constructivecritique]

God of the gaps is simply a misnomer! Typically, all that is meant is that there is a reason why something happens! This is a language semantics issue. It's not a science issue.

[JerryPenna]

40:56 what does it mean to “treat the past as real”? If time was endless/eternal why could not any point on that timeline be the current time? He seems to be saying that if time was infinite there would be not current time? That's assuming a theory is correct. Why not?

[constructivecritique]

40:37 can an eternal reality be created at a specific time with all eternal elements becoming eternal instantly? So, even if reality is eternal, it doesn't explain how an eternal thing is possible.