Jamie Wheal: “Neuro-anthropology and Culture Architecture” | The Great Simplification #13

On this episode, we meet with Executive Director of the Flow Genome Project, Jamie Wheal.

Jamie discusses the evolutionary importance of music as a coping mechanism, how the United States’ university system fails to prepare students for the crises of the coming decades, and how to find hope in this time of tumult.

Jamie Wheal is the Executive Director of Flow Genome Project. His work ranges from Fortune 500 companies, leading business schools, Young Presidents' Organization (YPO), to Red Bull and its stable of world-class athletes. He combines a background in expeditionary leadership, wilderness medicine and surf rescue, with over a decade advising high-growth companies on strategy, execution and leadership. He is a sought-after speaker, presenting to diverse and high-performing communities such as YPO, Summit Series, MaiTai Global, TEDx, and the Advertising Research Foundation.

00:39 - Jamie Wheal Info, Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work, Recapture the Rapture
03:38 - Michael Pollan’s How to Change your Mind
06:08 - Jonathan Haidt The Righteous Mind
06:32 - Environmental Anthropology
08:06 - Oxytocin
08:40 Nate Hagens on Human Behavior
09:51 - Serotonin
10:23: Robert Sapolsky, Lisa Feldman, Andrew Huberman
10:57 - Limbic capitalism
11:07 - Sapolsky on the unexpected reward and dopamine
11:45 - E.O. Wilson
12:03 - B.J. Falk
13:11 - Anna Lembke Dopamine Nation
14:08 - Rat with the cocaine lever experiment
14:22 - Pavlovian conditioning
15:12 - Homeostasis
15:32 - The Wanting is stronger than the Having
15:48 - Decentralization
16:56 - Vivek Murphy Together
18:46 - Advance Policy
22:58 - Bessel van der Kolk Body Keeps the Score
23:30 - Micro traumas
24:24 - Robin Dunbar on trance dance
27:14 - Daniel Levitin This is Your Brain on Music: The Science of a Human Obsession
30:05 - Alice Walker
30:39 - Four stages of orgasm
31:08 - Map’s work on MDMA therapy
33:59 - Music therapy
35:33 - Agenda of the gene
33:52 - Scott Barry Kaufman Podcast
36:02 - Home Grown Humans
40:13 - Vaclav Smil Grand Transitions: How the Modern World was Made
51:20 - Seven Generation Consciousness
51:42 - Children with intergenerational consciousness have better resilience
52:58 - New York Times article - A Nation on Hold Wants to Speak with the Manager
53:25 - Denmark is the happiest country on earth - based on expectations
55:11 - Admiral Jim Stockdale and the Stockdale paradox
57:09 - Flow Genome
1:01:39 - Don’t Look Up
1:10:13 - Carol Dweck Mindset: The New Psychology of Success
1:10:26 - Carol Dweck Atlantic Piece
1:11:01 - David Brooks
1:11:20 - Expedition Behavior
1:14:16 - Acton Business School
1:19:33 - Maria Montessori’s Earth Kindergarten

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[paulam]

Very charismatic speaker; I was enthralled. On the other hand, after I came down from the rapture that his charismatic delivery generated, I did realize that his world view leaves out those of us non-outward bound gradnuates, ha, who are not going to be leading the expedition up the mountain. Those of us who don't have his mountaineering skills possibly have other things to offer. And what about the many scientists speaking on this podcast who are products of and supported by a university system he seems to abhor? They are providing extremely important and valuable information that would not be available to us if we simplistically prioritized getting out there in the "real world."
Thank you again, Nate, for this always thought-provoking and invigorating podcast.

[jjuniper]

I read Pollan, Wheal, Peterson, Lembke, Haidt, etc. I really like the idea of getting your house in order, and minimizing consumption, increasing social gatherings, and intergenerational knowledge transfer, young to old, old to young. It's been a great help to my entire family. 🌺

[markcounseling]

Jamie Wheal has more quotable quotes and drops more names than anyone else I can think of, which I once found a little off putting—but more and more I just see that his brain is naturally on fire and so I happily warm myself by it. Thank you for the illuminating conversation!

[CoryDavisPAg]

Thank you. Great podcast, such an important series

[boombot]

Thank you❤🌹🙏, Jamie Wheal and Nate👍! Inspiring😄 conversation!

[MattAngiono]

I absolutely loved both of Jamie's books!
Recommend these to if you can't already tell, he has a wonderful way with words.
This conversation was awesome, and I hope you get to speak to each other more in the future!
Thank you!

[davehendricks]

Dancing at home alone with your dogs? Thank god I’m not the only one. And it definitely relieves stress and anxiety.

[MattAngiono]

"Make good ART!" was also the life advice of genius writer Neil Gaiman....
Couldn't agree more!
I love that he suggests here to find the intersection of your skills with what will be needed in this new culture....
If only we all could do that!

[Rosemountainfarm]

Absolutly amazing! I wait in anticipation weekly to hear this podcast! Thank you
Friends, dogs, learing and

[adambazso]

Every episode is a treasure, thank you for your precious efforts to bring people together! :)

[zleo]

A very enlightening podcast, from which I learned a lot, not least of which is that I think the USA & Canada have the greatest likelihood of being able to avoid untold violence because (1) you all speak the same language (English), and (2) there is a large percentage of the population who are actually driven, to a greater or lesser extent, to want to make things better for their families and fellow humans. I spent 3 years in Denver area 1993-1996, and found the Americans to be the nicest people I had come to know in the world.

[culbinator]

Yes! Two of my favorite minds in one convo.

[Gwerd]

I appreciated the section of this conversation where Jamie talked about the necessity to be prepared (1:04:00 get your house in order) so that you can be of service to others...

[davidgarza]

"The work of the mature person is to carry grief in one hand and gratitude in the other and to be stretched large by them. How much sorrow can I hold? That’s how much gratitude I can give. If I carry only grief, I’ll bend toward cynicism and despair. If I have only gratitude, I’ll become saccharine and won’t develop much compassion for other people’s suffering. Grief keeps the heart fluid and soft, which helps make compassion possible." - Francis Weller, The Geography of Sorrow

[dutchgirl]

Starting reading Jamie's new book, Recapture the Rapture, a few days ago. Then I see your podcast on my newsfeed. No, this is not an algorithm. I subscribe to your Channel and always look forward to your interviews. As usual, great interview Nate!

[paulwhetstone]

Dances with dogs: I love it, Nate. Thanks for the great dialogue, AGAIN.

[jonathanadamson]

@1:11:00- Don’t appreciate Wheal’s characterization of “Millennials” here. Or his “playing devils advocate” on any shred of advice or direction offered by others while underscoring his own path as the most valid.

Listening to him speak, I’ve always come away feeling— sure you talk a great talk (which is punctuated by breaths that resemble someone eating a meal as if the food will disappear off their plate any second), you take great mental notes of things other people are writing about or doing, you adopt jargon specialized enough to sound super well informed, and frankly— I agree with many of your points, but it is smothered in a sense that this is a man completely lost in a false image of himself as some sort of transformed super capable individual. An image that can only be maintained as long as there is an audience sitting at his knee.

He didn’t answer the question directly about whether, given his rehashing of findings concerning music, if he himself has been changed in the way he personally utilizes music, he just slipped right back into “I’m an expert, listen to all the knowledge I have to impart.” And his attitude concerning any person or group that he hasn’t personally selected as a source of inspiration is a major turn off.

In almost the same breath he speaks of his expedition of future leaders to Utah and then a trip to LA, (clearly a frequent flyer- wonder how that model works out in a post-growth, systems-informed true-cost economy— but it’s okay, it’s for the special elite leaders who know where the real answers lie and can guide us “fat kids”) he casts judgment on an age group who have literally been priced out of homeownership and have lived lives punctuated, since childhood, by all the contractions of a society in decline, who he admonishes to get their house in order. What house dude?

You act like the apocalypse is knocking at the door instead of the reality that it has already begun for many people. Including young people— well, those of us who don’t have parents who have $250K to jumpstart our futures. We were born into apocalypse. Which is why people like you who act as though they are endowed with some God like power to lead the people to Zion smell so strong of false prophet to people like me. But hey— it’s working for you, and <your> children clearly. Glad you are afforded the luxury of getting your house in order before confronting the apocalypse.

Maybe I can Airbnb one of your kids’ extra rooms one day. If you want respect, give some respect. You aren’t entitled to it.

[wmgodfrey]

Nate, seriously NOW you've got to consider connecting with John Vervaeke. His series titled Awakening from the Meaning Crisis is absolutely phukken brilliant fascinating prescient AND illuminating... IT ties in to this episode, with direct regards to this guy's whole delivered Gestalt or schtick herein. Cheers 🥂 Peace ✌️ Buddy 🕊️

[hughkelly]

The economic model that will work is based on the elements, energy and entropy.

[gahmex]

I really enjoyed this but I don’t know if I missed something. Is neuroanthropology mentioned at any point? Other than sidestepped