Star Wars: The Clone Wars Still Doesn't Hold Up (Part 2)

I feel it's worth mentioning that, despite a lot of people telling me that I'm needlessly stretching out this critique, because "long man bad", I had to cut a lot of stuff out of this video that I wanted to talk about, for time and pacing reasons. So to any of you who hoped I would take about this arc or that episode, just know that there was a lot more to say, and I chose not to say it. This assessment may be almost 5 hours--but I assure you, it could easily have been much, much longer.

Intro: 0:00
The Clones: 6:58
Dooku: 49:56
Maul: 1:26:43
World Building: 1:47:12
Outro: 2:44:27

[SheevTalks]

If I didn't address your points for why the chips don't work, I do apologize, but this is as much as I'm willing to do about this subject. Following this, I will not be arguing about the chips any further; we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Schwoomy]

Jar Jar canonically laying pipe is peak Star Wars, you just don’t get it

[OptimusNero]

Remember, kids. The planned story arcs about Ventress' sacrifice, Boba vs Cad Bane and Maul escaping Sidious couldn't get animated, but we instead got 4 episodes of the Martez sisters.
Yikes

[Chewberto]

That Cartoon Network commercial teasing the Umbara arc brought back strong memories. After the arc concluded, I remember thinking, even as a kid, that Pong Krell might've been a little bit worse than "a substitute teacher who isn't as cool as your regular one."

[sonny_njr]

I think we can all agree that the Clone Wars should’ve lasted more than 3 years.

[lightarc]

Palpatine was using NordVPN for his holograms

[SkulLord]

My boy Grievous has been done wrong for so long.

[darraasi]

Imagine if we had an episode where Dooku after finding out Maul lives went out of his way to try and kill or capture Maul and it was because Maul killed Qui-gon. Imagine if him being Qui-gon's master affected anything. Imagine he ever did anything.

This baffles me. So we have Qui-gon's master and the guy who killed him in the same show and... nothing. That could have written itself but I guess giving Dooku any character or motivation beyond "mWahahaha, I'm evil!" was not allowed.

[YasugoLiehu]

56:30 One detail I love, which is very subtle, is in Attack of the Clones, when Coleman Terbor tries to take Dooku by surprise. When Coleman is about to strike Dooku, he's killed by Jango. Dooku turns and grins to Jango, turns and looks towards where Coleman fell and grimaces, then looks back to the battle mournfully. This all happens over like 3 seconds.

[anticitizenokapi]

"Theyre both madly in love with Obi Wan-"

That abrupt cut off had me in stitches

[Darkington]

I truly despise the "Kids Show" argument, as if children somehow can't appreciate world-building and character consistency. I remember, as a child, loving it when TV shows referenced older episodes and used them as a basis to tell a new story; even if I didn't know what continuity was, I could still appreciate it.

[cyanideinmycereal]

I never noticed it as a kid but it is really funny to me now that Grievous, on screen, literally only wins 3 fights he's in, and 2 of them were against a little girl that he still failed to like actually win against. The only guy he actually manages to kill is the goofy fish man in that one episode.

[MrPyroCrab]

Ok let’s talk about the microchips and break this down piece by piece:

First of all, it’s weirdly confusing to establish we’re not using the EU, and then immediately defer to the books. The way this segment was worded, I’m genuinely confused. So since you default to using the books, I’m also going to default to using the books.

There’s something very, very important you forgot to mention about the incident in Dark Lord: those were Clone Commandos. Clone Commandos and ARCs (so this includes Jangotat as well by the way) were specifically bred with an increased capacity for independent thinking in order to operate behind enemy lines. As in, different from the regular clones. Using this as an example for why the Clone Army was unreliable is disingenuous at best, as the commandos were fundamentally different on a genetic level. The rest of the Clones on Murkhana went along with the order, it was just that one team of clones specifically bred to think independently that took things into their own hands.

As for the point about Order 66 somehow being less suspicious. Clone Protocol 66, in the EU, was part of a set of 150 contingency orders that the Jedi did know about. However, here’s the exact wording of the order:

"In the event of Jedi officers acting against the interests of the Republic, and after receiving specific orders verified as coming directly from the Supreme Commander (Chancellor), GAR commanders will remove those officers by lethal force, and command of the GAR will revert to the Supreme Commander (Chancellor) until a new command structure is established."

So like, the Clones have an order to get rid of rogue commanders. Please tell me why the Jedi would be suspicious of an order to get rid of them in the event they go rogue.

Also, suppose Palpatine does propose this, he would’ve proposed it along with the other 150. You know what Order 65 was? Let me show you:

"In the event of either (i) a majority in the Senate declaring the Supreme Commander (Chancellor) to be unfit to issue orders, or (ii) the Security Council declaring him or her to be unfit to issue orders, and an authenticated order being received by the GAR, commanders shall be authorized to detain the Supreme Commander, with lethal force if necessary, and command of the GAR shall fall to the acting Chancellor until a successor is appointed or alternative authority identified as outlined in Section 6 (iv)."

So not only did he word the order in a way that looks like a last resort failsafe that would never possibly be . He also put it right under an order to depose him.

In other words, he did the same thing he always did with the Jedi, hid it right in plain sight.

Please tell me why this is riskier than the chips, which you yourself admit almost led to his plan being uncovered.

[nohbuddy]

Jango being on the side of the bad guys on Geonosis should have been the biggest red flag about the clones 😂

[dutchmansmine]

Palpatine uses a VPN to stop people decloaking his holograms.

[cellulanus]

I say the implant chips are there entirely to fix a problem that the show introduced itself.
They "humanized" the clones a bit too much, forgetting that they've been genetically modified to make them more obedient.

[jerryify]

whenever maul is mentioned I cant stop thinking about him in Solo when he was threating/trying to impress Hans Love interest over a hologram by turning on his light saber in dark and presumably empty room.
aswell as the unfortunate implications it has a y'know revealing his sword to her.

[TVJUNK]

Fun Grievous facts according to current canon:

1. He was once a Kaleesh warlord whose culture and planet were desecrated by a war that the Republic and Jedi are directly responsible for supporting the other invading side. If that wasnt reason enough to hate the Jedi, his partner was killed horrifically in front of him during this conflict; literally being ripped limb from limb.
2. His descent into being a cyborg started out being intentional: small modifications here and there to help him fight. However, an accident that Dooku secretly orchestrated called for the complete reconstruction.
3. Grievous was present in the Battle of Geonosis. Nobody reported seeing him because nobody lived to report seeing him.
4. The Battle of Hypori is still canon, and is the first time he became known to the Republic.

The point of why I bring these up is to demonstrate how badly CG Clone Wars fumbled the ball in eatablishing this backstory, as this all comes from canon comics and visual dictionaries.

[busterbladex]

To bring up a point about Gennedy Star Wars about Grievous, you did miss the part where while Grievous did ultimately capture Palpatine, Mace Windu crushed his respiratory organs which gave him his signature breathing in Episode 3.
Why is that important?
Because it heavily implies that's why Grievous wasn't the powerhouse he was in Episode 3(and the creators ensured that was the case with Lucas at the time even agreeing to it) and why Obi-Wan ultimately defeated him(Though it was still a hard won fight).

It doesn't explain away all of Grievous' issues in Episode 3 but it explains why he constantly ran away or fought at an advantage until he was forced and still nearly had Obi-Wan dead to rights if it wasn't for a lucky blaster. It's a far and away better than what happened to him in TCW and it's honestly the reason I prefer Gennedy Clone Wars over TCW entirely.

[SpaceTheWhale]

I really like how people be like “you hate Star Wars” to Sheev when his channel name is literally a Star Wars character, and has multiple hour+ long videos on it 💀