This Is The ONLY Reference To Arthur In RDR1

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I Believe This is The Only Reference To Arthur In The First Game

[shravan]

lets just accept it, they didnt plan on having a charcter called arthur during the first game. theres nothing wrong with that.

[Hanson]

I like the part where Arthur wasn't mentioned anywhere

[thingyithink]

A “reference” to Arthur in this game could be the jacket Jack wears on the epilogue, and it could canonically be Arthur’s old gunslinger jacket from 1899

[VGamingJunkieVT]

There's one moment in Red Dead 2's epilogue that reveals he never forgot about Arthur. He just doesn't like talking about him, both because it hurts and because Arthur told him to not look back. (I'm aware Red Dead 1 was made first, but this is a nice in-universe explanation)

[themadtitan]

The scene is about the Stranger judging John for forgetting people who were harmed and killed during his gang days. Not a certain friend who's helped him like many make it out to be. Whom there would be no way John forgot unless he got a visit from an old friend amnesia.

[Man_Toast]

In the epilogue of RDR2, when meeting Mary Beth at the Valentine train station, John says that he thinks about Arthur all the time, but he doesn't talk about him much. This for me is all I needed. John is a quiet lone cowboy type anyway. Obviously Arthur wasn't written at the time of RDR1, but just knowing that John thinks about him, even if we never see it, that's enough for me

[MicahBellEdits]

Its not a reference to Arthur bro, arthurs character wasnt even thought of yet

[heyyou]

I don't think it's Arthur he's referring to, but literally everyone who's died for Dutch *as well* as Arthur. So many people died trying to survive or just set the gang straight.

They more than likely would've sided with John, but as they all died in equally terrible fashions and were all grim reminders of his past, he never thinks or mentions them again and likely prefers it that way.

[drakecarter]

Arthur wasn't even a concept or a thought at Rockstar when RDR1 came out.

[chewie]

“You have forgotten far more people than me” 0:23 This relates to John and how he doesn’t talk about Arthur anymore. John would still have Arthurs hat in both games but, John decides he doesn’t want to wear it anymore and hence to the man saying john has forgotten. Since john doesn’t mention anything about Arthur in rdr1.

[Brandon_Powell]

This isn't a reference to Arthur. The implication is that John should not have forgotten the result of the life he lived with the gang.

[tonyoliva]

A lot of people are missing the mark here. He's definitely not referring to Arthur. There's 2 distinct and meaningful reasons he brings up Heide McCort and her importance. First, the direct surface reason being her death is the catalyst for everything breaking down in the Van der Linde gang and it's eventually dissolution and the deaths along the way. Everything was fine until she died then it all went sideways, the ramifications seen in RDR2. Her death is the most important one concerning the gang outside of the gang itself. Second is a more metaphysical reason in that the Strange Man is death and if John is so callous to death that he does not even remember the innocent people who've been killed by his/the gangs actions the why would he remember death himself who is not, philosophically speaking, more important than the person who died. To be honest, if the sequel wasn't all ready in the plans then the second reasoning is most likely the correct one

[easilydisgruntled]

If you choose to believe, there's actually at least 3 references to Arthur!

1) This one in the video ("You've forgotten far more important people than me"). This is not to say John has completely forgotten Arthur, but vaguely refers to his past with the gang and John's decision to not talk about them often, including Arthur

2) On the first trip to Armadillo with Bonnie, she'll tell John about how she sometimes thinks of leaving the ranch life, to which John ambiguously replies "In my experience, it takes more stay than to run Miss MacFarlane". One could say he is thinking of Arthur's sacrifice in this moment


3) Before Dutch jumps off the cliff, he repeats almost verbatim some dialogue that he spoke in RDR2 alongside Arthur. It's oddly specific. Because the words would mean little to John, since he was not present to hear them the first time, it can be deduced that Dutch was reflecting on his friend Arthur one final time. The quote is "We can't always fight nature. We can't fight change, we can't fight gravity"

Comparison of the scenes:

Hope someone finds all these possibilities as interesting as I do
I love this franchise

[jalamelganzo]

I also like to believe that the stranger is referring to Arthur but in reality it not only reminds him of the people that John and the gang have murdered.

[brianT]

Now I'm trying to image how arthur's 3d model would look in rdr1.

[rainyeyesparty]

I honestly hope they make a proper remake to RDR 1 and the throw some real references to Arthur in the game, it kinda sucks how no one ever talks about Arthur in the original game, i know the entire Arthur character was made after the release of RDR 1 but he had such an impact in so many people's lives that you would think any of them would name drop him at least once in the entire game

[theflyingdutchman]

Rockstar does plan ahead with events and characters like *Heide McCort* here. And they also do it in RDR2 in a very subtle way most people seem to forget with *Mac and Davey Challander* the brothers are mentioned quite alot through-out the story. They mysteriously die before RDR2 really starts as perhaps a perfect setup for future games perhaps even as main-characters like you can play multiple main-characters in GTA V. With members like Bill and others mentioning how much he misses them and that they were great, and members like Charles remembering them as pure outlaws and terrible people most likely having to do with the honor system every RDR game has.

[Twistingmp]

If you ever see a dude in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night, dressed in a fancy suit with a top hat, and no mode of transportation, i suggest you greet him respectfully lol

[TheRealVyke]

Can’t be a reference to him cause he didn’t exist yet

[thebeast]

There is no way in hell John would have forgotten about Arthur. The were pretty much brothers.