WoW Classic: What Happened with Classic Alterac Valley?

Alterac Valley for a large amount of players in Classic WoW has been a big disappointment. Patch 1.12 sees a nerfed version of the Battle Ground that is very similar to the current retail version. Players desperately want to experience the old school Pre-Nerf 1.5 version of Alterac Valley with its return to historically long matches that last hours and sometimes days. In fact some players are so upset that they believe Nostalrius did Alterac Valley better than Blizzard, but is that true? In this video we discuss the current state of Alterac Valley, what players are clamoring for, and how Blizzard can return Alterac Valley to its patch 1.5 pre-nerf state.

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[Silenced_by_Utoob]

Pre-nerf AV is what u was really hoping for when I heard about classic. This crap AV is what ruined the BG for me back in 2006.

[MimmyJorgan]

Preach my dude. 9-15min Alliance rush to Drek is hardly Alterac Valley. Not to mention you can pull Drek without aggroing the Warmasters. Keep up the good work man, hopefully someone from Blizzard is listening!

[ChandlerBiloxi]

Week long AV was the best. In August 2005 when I was evacuated after Hurricane Katrina, I remember playing roughly 12 hours, logging off, and coming back to the SAME battle for at least three days and we (alliance) were still fighting in the middle.

[Sweetguy]

I remeber back when AV launched it did not even put your team in a raid group. Some one would have to yell asking for people to join raid group while others would farm exp playing solo.

[meklavier]

Do not blame premade. In oceanic servers, premade is the only way alliance can win. Imagine doing AV for 10 straight hours and only getting a single win (because happen to join a premade) the hordes are trashing alliance in AV so much

[full_metal]

I remember pre nerf AV and really enjoyed it. In classic I AFK ground out Exhalted to get my BiS healing offhand.

[Presence_o_Mind]

I can't stand this version of AV. It totally takes the soul out of the game. It's a battleground for PVP. The gear is a bonus. We ran that thing to PVP. After all of the battles day in and day out, we earned out rep and honor loot the right way. The battle on AV isn't a battle. It's a bullshit mindless rep grind that's boring and disconnected from the original feel of World of Warcraft.

[MichaelBecx]

Thanks for the video Icosiol!

Love your videos!!! Keep 'em coming!!!

[gerod]

Found out classic wasnt really my thing but I still enjoy the videos

[pcvrgamedev]

Most honor/rank farmers actually want to go to Warsong Gulch. Now they are "forced" to play AV, because wsg honor is not worth it. If they make AV again in "hardmode", then people who want massive battles get what they want AND those honor farmers can go back to wsg and do what they want, so it's a "win-win".

[DarknessReaver]

I liked this video a lot.
I think you are one of the few youtube channels who still goes against "mainstream" subjects and highlights what is not working in Classic Wow.
In this case it's the pre-nerfed AV, one of the two elephants in the room that some others content creators (despite I don't like this definition at all) seems to have completely forgotten along with the pre-1.4 old epic mounts models or they just don't want to discuss at all...

In my opinion blizzard could easily add them bach if they only wanted. The first one by letting people choose from the Battlemaster which version they want to play.
Yeah, this will split the population maybe but people who don't have much time will still be able to play a "quick" 1.12 AV while others can appreciate how fun is the pre-nerfed version and both type of players can still enjoy the latter during the weekend anyway.

I know what I'm to say will probably sound harsh or "elitist" but regarding the old-epic mounts models they could add them back into the game probably just by resurrecting the old "hated" in-game shop but they should still try to firewall those behind some sort of requirement. Everyone will need to be exalted with that mount X faction first and also need to pay its original price (be it 900g or 800g if they also have PvP R3) so that those who already belong to that faction (e.g. Trolls on Raptors) will still have to achieve something that requires concrete effort to get it.
This will prevent people flooding the server with those, ruining the original meaning behind their acquisition. A real meaningful effort, not like the hundreds of hundreds of mounts who are so easy to get in Retail nowadays.

Closing in, I really appreciate your work and passion and how you touch certain aspects of the game with professionalism and never in a trivial way.
That's dedication and passion. Keep it up man! |m/

[Stompinwind]

There is a reason there is more upvotes for not restoring that than for replacing....I played that AV liked it but dont want it in the game

[laner.]

*chants* Pre-Nerf AV, Pre-Nerf AV, Pre-Nerf

[EB_]

Well said, we just want Blizzard to TRY. I was fortunate to have played the prenerf AV as a level 51. It felt to EPIC. To do my part to the war effort as a level 51 by completing objectives while the big bois went to battle. Then i reached 60 and I was in the front lines.


Yes, that resulted in and painful AV's and the community DEMANDED the nerfs that we got. But there's a reason why we have Classic wow to begin with, we want to experience Vanilla as it was.

[zacharytaylor]

I also heard there was a black lotus that use to spawned in the field of strife.

[joshb]

A battle zone like OG AV would be insane and epic

[riklaunim]

The problem may be that even with the pre-nerf or custom version people would very likely play differently. On Kronos before Classic they had some changes, AV wasn't 5 min while you could queue for a BG from anywhere (unless 60), tuning was rather higher and uncertain things were rolled in favor of the game usually and respec cost limited at 5g.

[Chiensale]

Thx man, you save me some cash, i was thinking get back to the roof, but if is not the Wow i remerber what the point. And one them is how epic Aterac Valley was, good memory.

[nunyabizness]

I started in TBC so I never played the epic AV but I grew to love the battleground anyway. This AV is kind of better than the one I played from TBC to panderia but the biggest problem is the ability to pull van and Drek without having a problem with the marshals. In the retail avs I played you would at least have to cap The two towers in the base to have a chance at downing the general. Trying to offtank more than that was too much and the general was too buff.

I would be satisfied if they just fix the marshals to buff the generals properly and have them chain pull. At least That would force both sides to play the game and actually try to Cap a Tower or two. If you buff them enough maybe you’ll have to take three towers then the ones in the middle would be relevant again. Sure that might make the battleground longer but you would have to play it the way it was designed and intended. Cap towers before killing boss. Then maybe the other NPC’s might be more relevant to break a stalemate.

I’ve had a few AV‘s in classic that were truly epic, better than anything I played in retail. Ice Lord summoned, alliance completely decimated, and was a 45 minute game. The potential is there just fix the marshals so that you can’t just run to boss kill boss.

[qweqwadadasdadsf]

Rush tactic against alliance can be dealt with mass def on galv but against premade need to quickly kill balinda then recall base. But still it's pretty hard to win against premade drek rush.