What’s going on in Jeremiah 17:9?

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[eddieromanov]

My experience was just like hers. My recovery from my significant early mental health issues has been directly proportional to my unlearning all the stuff I learned in my IFB life.

[Tmanaz]

What a wonderful change to see a creator with humility and respect.

[bungusbungus]

You're the best, Dan. Amazing work, informative and entertaining.

[woolybooger]

So nice to see a thoughtful question answered in a video rather than responding to the usual diatribes.

[cuzned]

I appreciate that Dan is as committed to acknowledging Wolverine’s correct fit as i am to acknowledging the correct spelling of _all right_ . 😋

[daniellamcgee]

I have done many years of trauma healing, myself, mostly with the same psychologist. My former psychologist, and I, now keep in contact as friends.

One thing I know is that it is vital to stay switched on to logic and reasoning to dismantle the false beliefs..When relying on feelings to navigate our lives, without thought, it's easy to get swept up in repeating old patterns. Particularly if the habitual thinking from indoctrination isn't addressed.

Emotional responses are structured by how we think. If a person's thoughts are stuck in false indoctrination, emotional responses, gut feelings, and fedlings of intuition will be influenced by that indoctrination.

The best way to find one's authentic self is not to try to avoid progammed thinking, but to challenge it! With reasoning and logic, helped by a more objective person who has experience of such things, the structure of false beliefs can be dismantled into becoming obsolete and irrelevant to our more authentic life. Then our own intuition and gut feelings are more likely to be free of unresolved issues. But reseaoning, logic, facts and stats are still necessary, so we don't get swept up into another set of false beliefs that 'feel right' based on our past false beliefs, rather than it being true.

Without the work to address the old thoughts, Intuitive beliefs ars much more likely to be habitual, familiar, comfort zone inner feelings, rather than being reliable relevant indicators of a current perception.

Without logically thinking things through, we become vulnerable to misinformation, disinformation, propaganda, scams, including cults, etc. Reasoning and logic will help us find, and navigate the closest we can get to truth and authenticity, especially for those whose thinking and emotions were formed by false beliefs.

The best way out of false thought cages, is to break them down with logic, to set ourselves free. This is supported by neurology. Thinking literally changes the structure and chemistry of the brain.

[etraziel]

When you said "kidneys" I was like huh? I looked it up and now I'm more enlightened. Lol

[Misa_Susaki]

Thank you so much for this. This particular verse is always brought up against me to discount my spiritual experiences I've had, and I always thought that was wrong.
Yet again, applying our modern context to ancient scripture is a recipe for disaster.

[dantallman]

That was awesome. I assumed that head was Always metaphorically about cognition and heart was Always about emotions, Always meaning over history. I projected this misunderstanding into how I read the OT and NT. Interesting to rethink some passages like Jeremiah 17:9. 
A bit of explanation from the pulpit way back when might have been helpful (but I also suspect it might have just rolled off like water on a ducks back :).
I think the Pauline epistles emphasize head more, but that may be more about authority than it is about cognition.

[toritori]

I was raised in a church that followed the teachings of Bill Gothard and the Institute for basic youth conflicts. For years, I’ve been in knots over the teaching that says humans decisions are made through one’s mind, will and emotions and those three components have a hierarchy.

Then they would show this drawing of a small train with an engine, box car, then a caboose. Gothard would say that the will (turned over to God) is the engine that directs the train. The boxcar is the mind, one’s rational voice that enables learning and recollection of biblical principles so we might be obedient. Then at the very, very back is the caboose, one’s heart/emotions because “the heart is deceitful above all things.” We were taught that if you have the other two things in place, then your emotions will follow with goodness, contentment, peace and joy.

Boy, was that a load of 💩. I have seen widespread emotional damage to so many people from that rendering of the verse and that teaching. I know people who have severe PTSD because they stayed in circumstances that put their lives in danger so they could “be obedient and submit their will to the will of God” (in actuality, it was some leader). Their emotions were telling them to leave, but they made their emotions the caboose. Others I know don’t have PTSD or C-PTSD, but still have anxiety issues and get panic attacks because the continually forced themselves to do things against their emotions. Yep, they bent their will and conformed to something they did but want to do.

It’s a surprise that any of us survived.

[HandofOmega]

As to the quote itself Doctor James Tabor has a recent video where he breaks down the original Hebrew and finds most modern translations are a bit harsh in translating it as "deceitful". His own personal translation is that the word used is something more like confusing or twisting...

[DMCG-]

Emotions are stored in the small head.

[sparrowthesissy]

I don't trust my kidneys half as far as I can throw them... which isn't far because they're both still attached. Those fools can't even get a library card.

[LegendofMafty]

“The correct outfit!” 🤣
I grew up with yellow black and blue but agree.

[PatriotS]

1st Corinthians 2:11-14, ”For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

[roberthunter]

"Jeremiah was a bullfrog" :-)

[perrywilliams]

Oh, Dr. Dan, you and your Wolverine dogma! 🤣🤣 Seriously, though, great content. Excellent scholarship.

[gilbertalvarado]

It’s interesting that even when the brain was recognized as significant the emotions still went to the heart even though they are also in the brain.

[pepperberry]

I liked that one! That was a great video.

[SunnyAquamarine]

That truly was an excellent question! Does it get to the heart of your intelligence and studies to enlighten you to not override your God-given inner voice asking you to look again at prophetes?