Without Holiness No One Will See The Lord (Hebrews 12:14 vs 'Free Grace')

Hebrews 12":14 teaches that without holiness no one will see the Lord. What is meant by this? Some in the so-called "free grace" movement teach that holiness is not required to see the Lord. So, how should we understand Hebrews 12:14

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[robertemard]

Well explained and spot on. Many in the so called “free grace” movement often utilize straw man arguments such as “if you have to be holy to be saved, then how much holiness is required?” and “how can eternal life be eternal if it can be lost?”. You’re right that holiness is clinging to Christ. It is not about quantitative holiness. And eternal life would only be in clinging to Christ.

[robertemard]

“Obedience leading to righteousness”. Well said. And I would add that yielding to God’s will today and doing it will help one to discern God’s will tomorrow and doing it as stated in Hebrews 5:14: “But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.”

[arkadiuszdec]

Some people ask this kind of question "how much obedience is required?" because they think it is impossible to measure it, that is why salvation has to be only by faith without works. However this logic does not work with faith as well. How you can know for sure that you have 100% faith? We know that it does not work like zero-one. You can have more faith or less.

[steverentfrow]

You have much that is well said, but you are off the Foundation. You speak of Jesus, not as Savior and Lord, but as a fruit inspector and approver.

You have the thief on the cross saving himself by his faith and obedience unto death. According to your thinking, Jesus just recognized the thief was saved, and Jesus just gave him the nod of approval. Was that the same for the paralytic, having his sins forgiven, and for Lazarus coming out of the tomb?

I would be happy to show you where you're off, but you deleted my past posts, though I was respectful and kind. I just disagreed and showed you the proof, which was deleted by you.

I get it. You have learned much and have built your house on a foundation of your own making, and to tear it all down is way too frightening of a thought. Even moving it onto another foundation requires so many disconnections and new connections that the time and expense are just not fathomable.

Juxtapose the rich young ruler (maybe a mirror for you here?) with the Ethiopian eunuch. One worked hard and couldn't do. The other was given everything in Christ.

We who are baptized have obeyed from the Heart and are slaves of Righteousness. We have died to sin, as the Ethiopian did in baptism, to go our way rejoicing, not just cautiously optimistic. Yes, we fight the inclinations of sin, but we do so as Victors in Christ Jesus.

So you have the thief in the position that he could have lost the salvation of the Lord. You said he continued till his death in obedience. That is something you don't know; this is what's called eisegesis.

We do know that Jacob deceived his father Isaac, wearing his brother Esau's clothes and putting hair on the smooth of his neck, and even confessing that he was Esau; saying the words, "I am Esau..." Issac gave him the birthright and could not take it away once his word was given. Think about that.

We, the baptized into Christ, have died with Him and were buried with Him and it is said we shall certainly rise in a resurrection like His; for we are clothed with Him and sealed by His Spirit; and we are saved "For His Name's sake."

Can a slave of sin free himself? No.
Can a slave of righteousness lose righteousness? No. They have obeyed from the heart unto death; the death of the man of sin, and made new creations in Christ. What is New will not be made old, but is renewed day by day.

BTW, if you think that believing is something we do, then nobody is saved just because they "believed." But God's word doesn't return void. He gave it to the thief on the cross, He wouldn't take it away. He gave it to all those baptized into Him. The gifts and callings of God are irrevocable. We are complete in Him, meaning, we are perfect in Him. He saves us to the uttermost.