'We're not built for utopia' - Jordan Peterson #shorts

Jordan Peterson talks about Dostoyevsky's opinion of utopia and his book Notes from Underground.

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[JB-]

Sounds like the line from the matrix. When the agent was talking about the first version being "too perfect and nobody would accept it"

[jasoncoopersmith]

Yes! The only thing that should be “static” is your being “okay” with yourself in the dynamic up’s and down’s of life

[ninetailsofthesun]

That last line says it all. "The optimal amount of uncertainty." People don't want pure chaos and disorder, but we also don't want static, unchanging, pure order either, and that is why neither types of society will ever work. Push too much one way, and others will push the other as hard as they can until equilibrium is found.

[shabashabadoo]

I first read “Notes” on a bus to my friends when I was 17, it so had so enthralled me that when I finished reading it I was back at my house. I had ridden the entire loop. Fantastic book

[normanhill]

When life is no longer a challenge, we're pretty much dead.

[Bluecloudprod]

"Optimal amount of Uncertainty."
His word choice is brilliant.
One of the best extemperaneous speakers on the planet.

[connor]

I’m twelve but I enjoy this kind of thing. I recently listened to a podcast about this that was super interesting, and to expand more on this, pretty much the goal should be less suffering, not perfect, like science which you want something less wrong.

[gitouttamyway]

As with the old gods there is order and chaos, always at odds.
The Scandinavians had
Odin and Loki.
Odin was order at any cost and Loki was chaos .
The two provide balance.
Too much of anything is never a good thing.

[allenabrams]

I want to have a 2 hour dinner with this man. Everything he says is so deep and analytical.

[newts]

The unknown, chaos, entropy, is what gives us curiosity and drive to discover and live.

[MrJeffrey]

"Chaos and uncertainty" is doing a lot more to drive us mad than "comfort" could ever do. Let us not pretend that we have transcended chaos and uncertainty - it has only changed in its superficial form.

[krzyhrse]

They said the same on that Matrix, that they first Matrix they tried was a perfect world and that humans could not adapt,

[elliusblack]

THIS is why I’ve always thought a huge, “country-sized” governing bodies/empires, will always crash and fall. It always seems as though humans who remain in smaller tribes, who must depend on the land, who have to work together, hunt, gather, prepare for winter/drought/any other weather or seasonal whatever, migrate, etc. are all the ones who survive the downfall of empires/monarchies/ etc. when things are “too easy” then we, as humans, always have to tip the scales, to have extreme differences within the system, because we all can’t be a collective in a utopia setting, that’s too extreme, it’s too imbalanced; in order for one extreme to exist, the opposite extreme must exist as well (extreme wealth, extreme poverty) - there needs to be a balance.

[simonemueller]

I learnt from someone else and he said one thing that really impacted my life in the last 2 years I need one and know what it is life is not made to make you feel comfortable

[Sayaboong]

Reminds me of an experiment where people were asked to stay in a room for some hours with nothing but a small device that mildly electrocuted them. After some time, people got bored and started to electrocute themselves just to kill boredom.

[spydrmn]

We learned this far earlier than the 20th century, we learned this in the garden

[strictlybusiness]

This is very true we want to be challenged with unexpected stuff and we want to make choices and decisions

[billyrawlings]

Wow, love this kind of thinking, it's my jam.

[eliyawaters]

I remember thinking about this stuff few days ago. "There can be no light without darkness" We have to have hardships and chaos, it makes us appreciate the peaceful moments. Like the 4 generation rotation, when society stagnates there will be a revolution.

[Apple_Teck]

This sounds like something Agent Smith from the Matrix…

Whole crops were lost…