What if the Brotherhood beat The NCR in Operation Sunburst? - Fallout: New Vegas Alternate History

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We should all be aware of the catastrophic loss that the Brotherhood suffered at Helios One during Operation Sunburst that led to them hiding in Hidden Valley. But What if they won that battle, how would it change the region?
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I know a lot people might want a scenario where Elijah stayed as Elder, but I just don't see that happening. He didn't see the his chapter as being able to keep up with him and even if he did stay I'm sure it wouldn't be long before he was relieved of duty for his blatant disregard for Brotherhood lives.
Although I may cover a scenario where Elijah never left just for the sake of it.
Also, a lot of people seem to think this takes places during the events of New Vegas, it doesn't. This is set years before and the battle of Hoover Dam that is shown is the first battle.

TheOmegaInitiative
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The best part about Brotherhood winning is that it would prevent Fallout Frontier from existing because with NCR defeated in one way or another there would be no NCR Exiles and their shitty CoD campaign.

peckneck
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I like this idea and the scenario you've laid out. The only thing I'd see going differently is the NCR being able to play nice with the BOS after Hoover Dam. All the major factions the courier encounters make it abundantly clear that the BOS need to go bc they're a huge liability. My gut instinct is that once the NCR consolidated it's control over Vegas and the Mojave, they'd turn their attention to "removing" the BOS in order to achieve a total victory in the region. Plus the weapons, armor, and tech they'd be able to loot from the BOS would be enticing for the NCR

ian
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This makes me wish for a BoS ending, where the Courier hands Mr House army of Securitrons to Elder Hardin (since in order for that to work, Hardin needs to be the Elder), and they take Hoover Dam alongside The Courier, now a Paladin himself. Maybe even have a couple of Paladins and Knights fight Lanius with you as well, it would have been so dope man!

maxwella.gamingps
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I actually wouldn't mind if this was canon.

blivering
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Wait, why would Elijah leave? I thought the whole reason he disappeared is because the Brotherhood lost the plant; it’s why he goes full schizo and runs off to the Big MT. If the Brotherhood won, he’d have all the time in the world to study and harness Archimedes II.

leiferickson
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I feel like house wouldn't get caught with his pants down like that. I'm not sure what he would do but at the very least I think he'd be able to counter the brotherhood forces from using the monorail. Also I think with the threat of the brotherhood and ncr working together which would be evident when the silver rush gets torched Benny would remain loyal out of purely survival and house would get the platinum chip. These thoughts are just off the top of my head but I think it's worth thinking about.

kazuhirosamadesu
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I want to know what would of happened if Elijah got HELIOS 1 working, like the courier does in game. Maybe then they could of outright beat the NCR, and gained a powerful tool for negotiations.
Maybe even controlling the land and extorting Vegas for its tech.

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Well... you see - the problem with Elijah and his obsession with Helios 1 is that he was lacking 1 crucial element in order to activate Archimedes

The C-rangefinder. Without it - Elijah is just incapable of activating it, thus basically wasting both lives and resources

gae_wead_dad_
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I think this question about the alternate history brings up an interesting lore question I can't remember an answer to off the top of my head: *Do the NCR actually know Mr House has "advanced technology"?*

He has Securitrons, but I think it'd take more to convince the Brotherhood to raid the Lucky 38 than its owner having a lot of robots. Do they actually understand that House is a prewar human preserved with technology? Or do they have suspicions that somebody just took up his identity, or that he's secretly a Ghoul, or are most of them even unaware "Robert House" was the founder of RobCo?

The only piece of information I can remember on this is that his obituary proudly declares he lived to 261, so it's not like he keeps this information a secret, but he's also an extremely reclusive person, so I'm honestly unsure.

darthvaderreviews
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This proves Caesar’s philosophy towards advanced weapons. If you rely solely on machines you will perish when those machines fail you.

goodstuff
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I think one thing would be different,
Elijah, seeing the brotherhood was winning, kept trying to get Helios to work. Then shortly after the victory he does it. He activates Archimedes II, gets the C-finder. And Annihilates.

MrMadre
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What if the Legion won the first battle of Hoover dam? (In this scenario, the charges fail to detonate in Boulder City, and the NCR are overrun, routing them out of Vegas.)

senorbaguette
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I was kinda hoping that Operation Sunburst would've been won via using Archimedes and the defense system, like Elijah was planning on before the Brotherhood lost to the NCR. With those under his control the NCR wouldn't stand a chance, even any disagreeing Brotherhood members would be vaporized by Elijah.

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What i think would be a lot cooler is if elijah in this timeline was able to repurpose the Mr. Gutsys, Sentry Bots and laser turrets we faced as the player character turning the battle for the bos. In the aftermath elijah shows everyone documents of Archimedes proving he was right "couldn't let savages like the ncr have control of something as powerful as an orbital laser" being justified elijah would stay the unquestioned elder of the chapter despite the shaky victory. through elijahs genius he is able to get the prewar solar plant functioning at 95% efficiency within the few days before the ncr can mount a second larger attack. as the bos clear paths from Helios to hidden valley (their original target for dealings in the Mojave) work buzzes day and night till elijah makes a break through. High in the elevated laboratory remote control of the orbital satellite without the need for Euclid's C-Finder is established. Once the first strike is ordered the Brotherhood's recently waning technological superiority is once again solidified as it was in the days of the republic's infancy. The lasers touches down and graces camp golf first, cutting the small supply of rangers in the Mojave in half and leaving the rest leaderless with the death of Chief Hanlon. the second strike is unintentional as all physical evidence of a store once known as Mick and Ralph's is wiped from Freeside. Alerting Mr. House to the situation he accepts ncr negotiators that want to convince him to storm helios one. He knows this is his only move as bos will never accept his rule of new vegas, he fleeces the ncr for everything he can before the two new joint armies mobilize. the joint power of house and ncr roll up to the power plant looking abandoned. as they approach the never before seen security measures of the building activate as elijah and a few scribes a paladins watch dozens of securitrons are toasted in single bolts of light along along with 30 troopers being reduced to piles of ash with every strike (it super effective). The ncr's partially leather armor holds up better than the securitron's electronics but the ceaseless blasts sends whats left of both armies retreating. veronica know what she has to do in the coming weeks as she see how much enjoyment elijah is getting from his repeated use of the super weapon. even after the ncr's attempted surrender elijah keeps ordering the daily obliteration of ncr camps and bases until it becomes a death wish to step near any base or outpost fly a republic flag. with all major outpost abandoned forces retreat to the damn, the one location the brotherhood wont destroy. how does it end after this.

Maxsmack
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I'm so glad that I found this channel. I love, absolutely crave to listen to your alternative histories. Alternate history might be one of my favorite videos.

dediniath
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Absolutely LOVE your alternate history videos for the Fallout series!!!! Please continue to make content!!!!

jackm
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Finally! Been looking for a video that speaks about this concept more but I didn't found anything before until now. Well done!

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2:31 Can’t tell if they guy with the beret is shielding himself or face palming. Great artwork, whoever did this deserves praise 👍

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I can't stop watching your videos. Your content is just so original and imaginative

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