NASA veteran’s propellantless propulsion drive defies laws of physics

NASA veteran’s propellantless propulsion drive defies laws of physics

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[simongross]

If you break the laws of physics you will be sent to prism. But it'll probably only be a light sentence.

[rawnet]

Whenever one hears the words “defies the laws of physics”, you can be certain someone is looking for capital from other people…

[martinwilliams]

Don't believe claims, don't believe slick graphics, don't believe respectability, just believe it when it's demonstrated.

[MarksElectricLife]

Sounds like a space ship pulling itself up by its own bootstraps. Perhaps it should be called Bootstrap Ship - or BS for short 😉

[unfixablegop]

I don't think it's fraud, rather it's self-delusion.

[JoeyBlogs]

One suspects it's not deyfying laws of physics at all. Rather, it operates within the known frameworks of classical mechanics, electromagnetism, and other established physical principles. Electrostatic Actuators: Use electrostatic forces to move or control objects without ejecting mass. These are commonly used in micro-electromechanical systems (MEMS). Solar Sails: Utilize the pressure exerted by photons from the Sun to propel spacecraft. No mass is ejected; instead, the momentum of the photons is transferred to the sail. Gyroscopes and Reaction Wheels: Used in spacecraft for orientation and stabilization. They operate by changing the orientation of rotating masses within the system, producing a force without ejecting mass.

[lawsnewton]

Interesting new term for perpetual motion.

[gupsedl]

Okay so he has NASA cred doesn't mean he didn't hit his head.😅😅

[restonthewind]

"Without expelling mass" is not equivalent to no energy source or violating the laws of physics. Photons are massless but not momentumless for example, so existing physics permits a body to accelerate without expelling mass. I don't know what established law of physics this propulsion is supposed to violate. I'll be surprised if it violates any, but "laws of physics" can and do change over time.

[philiptaylor]

Powered by cold fusion and phlogiston.

[rogeranderson]

This isn't free energy or propulsion without energy. This is propulsion without 'propellant'. Nuclear or other propulsion means always need something to throw out the back to get forward thrust. With nuclear fuel lasting hundreds of years, the limiting factor is the mass you throw out the back. You can get more efficient by lowering the mass of the particles ejected and increasing the speed to near light, but eventually you run out (ion drive). This new drive somehow bends spacetime or some other means using power to provide thrust. Now we just need a way to generate power to move the spacecraft. In the inner solar system solar power may be enough, and you don't need to worry about where the back of your spacecraft is facing. A powerful ion drive unit is essentially a particle beam weapon by another name.

[buddywhatshisname]

My tinfoil hat is tingling with this one… I’d love it to be true, but skepticism is the best approach at this point I think.

[chrisgea]

For the record, Exodus Propulsion Technologies has not claimed to have broken any 'laws of physics'. The company has claimed to have achieved some degree of technical control/isolation of what it is calling an 'exodus effect'. Like normal, the Viking has been reading the commentary of the purveyors in pseudo-science rather than the source material (of which there isn't that much).

[vantongerent]

Any actual paper published? Peer reviewed? Published test procedure / results ?

[rbdogwood]

I would be extremely surprised and delighted but anything that produced 1g of thrust would be amazing. 1g is obviously a difficult concept to explain if the mass of the vehicle is unstated. I await clarification of how it could be applied. Magnetic monopoles perhaps.

[universeisundernoobligatio]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", also known as the Sagan standard, is an aphorism popularized by science communicator Carl Sagan. He used the phrase in his 1979 book Broca's Brain and the 1980 television program Cosmos. It has been described as fundamental to the scientific method and is regarded as encapsulating the basic principles of scientific skepticism.

[litestuffllc]

It does require energy; what it doesnt' require if it works ; is a propeller or exit gasses. This would present the possibilty of linear movement without a major loss of mass or needing an atmosphere. However you'd need an energy source that doesn't expel gasses for this to be an advantage. Nuclear is about the only such source. You could have solar cells in space because there isn't an air resistence so they could be large arrays. It would make space travel easier, and faster. Assuming it works.

[gregrobbins]

I agree that a claim without a demonstration is useless. We do have videos of UAPs that propel themselves without ejecting mass. Perhaps an object can propel itself by exerting a force on distant objects. It’s important to avoid terms like “unlimited energy.”

[JoeyBlogs]

It seems that eectrostatic propulsion (EP) generally produces lower thrust compared to ion thrusters that expel ionized gas. This is primarily because EP systems rely on the acceleration of charged particles (typically electrons or ions) to genrate an electric field, which generally result in lower thrust levels compared to the high-speed expulsion of ionized gas in conventional ion thrusters. In electrostatic propulsion systems, achieving higher voltages can help compensate for the lower thrust generated by accelerating charged particles. The force exerted on charged particles is proportional to the electric field strength, which in turn is related to the voltage applied across the electrodes or grids in the propulsion system. With EP the ions are not ejected, it's the EM field it creates that interacts with space that contains the charged particles with which the EM field interacts.

[G]

The "demonstration in space" requirement is an obvious delay tactic. If it csn reduce the weight of something on the ground it can clearly propell something in space. :/