Loot Systems in Classic Wow

In this video, I go over all the different loot systems used by guilds, and give my opinion on which is best.

[Zatar]

I did not mention GDKP. I might do a video on it separately. In my experience, it is not a system used to distribute items fairly amongst the guild, but rather a means to make the guild money after they have gotten geared. Kind of feels like a separate thing.

[SirLasterOfDesaster]

Here are the timestamps:
00:00 - 04:43 Intro / Goals of loot systems
04:44 - 07:14 Main>Sec
07:15 - 10:06 Soft Reserve
10:07 - 18:30 DKP
18:31 - 21:41 EPGP
21:42 - 26:36 Loot Council
26:37 - 31:52 Onslaught
31:53 - 39:10 Zatars Favorite Loot System
39:11 - 40:42 Conclusion

[vjfin]

I´ve been using DKP with hidden bids for all of classic. The 100% biggest issue for me with it is that everyone knows what the biggest upgrades are. In p2, every rogue saved dkp for CTS/ Mala and did not bid on ANYTHING else because we´d lose the big ticket items if we did. In the whole of p2 we had 1 CTS and 0 Maladaths drop and me, and like 3 other rogues, ended up with the same gear at the end of p2 as we had when we started. Other good upgrades went to classes that benefited less than rogues just because we did not want to spend the points. Absolutely horrible system with todays min-max culture.

[HOZI_Y]

In all seriousness, this is a very good video you've made here. 40 mins of solid information! Soft reserve is the future loot system. I really dislike the other loot systems.

[cultofhercules]

It can also just be really motivating for a new guy to get a good item on the premise that they've proven their ambition and skill as a player.

[jfkdidntlos]

In my guild, players will do various PvP challenges to win gear in raids. But I do like the idea of Onslaught. Essentially a more rigid SR.

[britneyspheresyearsago]

Timestamps on this video might be appreciated.
You can add timestamps by typing for instance
0:00 - 5:00 Explaining Loot systems
In the description of your video.

[Chazzvc]

Onslaught is interesting.

Obviously when naxx25 is released everyone will want the iL226 weapon from KT25, It's BiS for phase 1 of wrath.
BUT it might be better if you put the weapon as your #4 or #5.

If you have Tier chest piece as #1, Then chances are you will be the first to get them since everyone else has the best item as #1. The issue with putting the best item as #1 is that you have to roll against a few people for it so your chances aren't even 100%.

Basically if you put turning tide as #1 and tier chest drops, the person being smart about their list will get the tier chest because it was #1 for them, then their tier shoulders become #1 (i'm assuming) because your number 1 item becomes the next in line.

Someone could put the weapon last and potentially get all the gear first since they keep getting #1 status on things when everyone else is focused on weapons. Then when that person has all their gear, the weapon becomes #1 and the odds of winning it are likely higher since a couple have dropped already knocking out a couple other #1s.

The issue with this system is that you are punishing people who show up to raid in full naxx13 gear not needing anything but the weapon only to lose it to a new player who needs everything and didn't have to grind naxx for 10 weeks straight.

[Riokaii]

A loot council with a knowledgeable class/spec representative who can make onslaught lists that the loot council uses to inform their decisions seems like the best system imo.

[jeffv]

I like a loot council that identifies order by which class gets the item next, then each class uses an epgp to distribute items.

[jellyfilled]

I've been looking into implementing gdkp as a loot system for my new guild. In theory it can work and there's room to implement some prio with enough gold. I personally wanted to try it because it seems like a good way to keep raiders interested in raiding because they will be getting some extra gold in their pockets after getting the gear they want.

[HOZI_Y]

*looks at thumbnail* DAMN SON WHERE'D YOU FIND THIS? xD

[klontic]

Serious question have you cleared naxx now then? I presume you went back to raid

[Lordyung]

Our guild recently collapsed because of poor loot distribution during Naxx progression. We basically gave the lowest performing rogue the first and only Kiss of the Spider.

[Animeguy]

Every loot council guild I have played in have been very corrupt.

[fatherofhusbandof]

anyway you look at it loot council will always become corrupt, i been in multiple loot councils in different guilds and all of them create favoritism and become corrupt, no matter what preventions you have to stop it from becoming corrupt

[danielcconnors]

You missed a massive downside of soft rez: Bad luck.

It's very easy and quite common to just soft rez the wrong item every raid or you do in fact soft rez something that drops and just lose the roll over and over and over again. There is no sort of priority or bad luck protection involved with soft rez so it gets extremely frustrating when you show every week and put in a lot of effort just to roll like shit everytime something actually drops. Only to watch a player come in 1 time and win all the items they soft rezzed right away because they happened to be quite lucky. This makes it a massive deal breaker for me beyond simple pug raids. But even in pug raids that happen every week it becomes a big problem.

[yukmoutb]

onslaught loot system isnt for new players though. you would never see a new player in that guild and on a raid team.

[Antrn]

“Everyone has stories, the item they’ve really wanted to drop …” lol, it’s loot council in the nutshell. Expect to wait until all the close friends and wives of them will get their bis, unless u are the friend/wife.

Upd. Prevent drama? Ofc, if there are your buddies in the council. And if someone attempts to say something against they’ve simply doomed. So there’s no public drama, but u can be certain, more than half of raid members hate your officers and their wives/girlfriends/friends. Not healthy for a guild.

There is no such thing as objective loot distribution when real humans are involved, just like in the real life.

It could be gdkp, but rmt and bots ruined the whole idea behind this.

[asfasdfsd]

The best loot system is retail personal loot. Removes all rivalry and drama