The Phaistos Disc Flips Greek History

My reading so far of the Phaistos Disc shows that during the Late Middle Minoan, the city of Phaistos attempted to erect an ideology on top of a traditional burial ritual; whose aim was to knit together the people of the region with the Hittites of Central Anatolia. A deep survey of three peer reviewed papers confirms that. I also take a quick look at two other papers I started reading after I'd finished organizing the slides and writing the script for this video.

The conclusion I draw from this research "flips the script" on the received story of the Minoans. Far from being the victim of a Mycenaean invasion, they had in fact successfully conquered large swathes of mainland Greece. Then they fought what is arguably the most fabled war of all time: The Trojan War.

In 1400 BC. At least a hundred years earlier than previously believed.

The following videos are reference here:

[carolgebert]

I wonder if you have followed "The Luwian Hypothesis" of the Bronze Age Collapse? The proponents say that when the Hittites seized Cyprus, a Greek colony, this united the Greeks and the Luwians against them. The fragment from Ugarit says clearly that all the ships are "in the land of Lukka." I.e. the Hittites and the Luwians were at war. DNA linkage of Philistines with the Greeks adds weight to this hypothesis. Of course, distant allies from the Italian colonies could have been part of the alliance. Bronze was that important.

[warrklownn]

This was mind blowing sir. Thank you for your research and willingness to share.

[jesperandersson]

Is PNYX the PNOXOSSOS i.e the KNOSSOS just a wild idea...

[whoopjohn]

It's such a shame that the Phaistos Disc is a fake, very likely by Luigi Pernier.

[MrKneeV]

That "ach" root for water survived in the Germanic tongues, and is the root of the English word "island". The "s" is a later addition to the word, and the "i" was followed by a glottal stop or fricative. It was something like "ich-land" or "ig-land" before we softened it to "i-land".

[SisterWomen]

I watched this five times. You'll definitely go down in history for these and other brilliant discoveries. However I came looking specifically for the relationship between King Menes first pharoah and King Minos os Crete. Specifically the identity of the woman who became NeithHotep asportrayed on Narmer Pallette. The Pylos Combat Agate shows several elements of Pallette story, indeed too many for this to be a coincidence. If you know please contact me. The woman who became NeithHotep had apparently been taken due to a reputation of incredible beauty, a woman I suspect we will find recorded elsewhere. I thought it was Sarah but if Minos is Menesis Menelaus, NeithHotep is Helen. Yet the dating is way off. Is there another Helen fifteen centuries earlier? The captive of a minoan King who unified Egypt? I'll be wading into all you work soon. Thanks again. God bless.

[gerokollmer]

I wouldn‘t bother until it is scientificaly proven that the disc is substantially older than the date of its discovery.

[Megadronte]

Sehr gutes Video!
Lleider ist die deitsche Übersetzun g sehr schlecht.
Gibt es ein Buch in Deutsch?
Really good Video.
But the translation in German ist bad.
Is there a book of this?

[eathansohma]

I know this is really off topic to the video, but I was wondering if you came across anything regarding Haplogroup X during your Genetic Research! I received a dream that they were apparently founded in Macedonia. Wondering if you have any opinions on the matter! Great videos thank you for everything you’ve done!!

[carolgebert]

I would like to suggest that the double-headed axe is a representation of the constellation Crux. The Egyptians draw an Ankh through the star points, and I think the Minoans drew a double-headed axe. In ancient times, the Crux was perfectly vertical just before dawn on the Winter solstice. In summer, it goes below the horizon.

[carolgebert]

Actually, the Iliad did NOT say that Troy fell. It says the war ended with the death of a Trojan Prince. (I think "Helen" were enslaved Greek women captured in raids. Hector's body was traded to return the slaves and everybody went home.) The walls fell during an earthquake much, much later. That is why there is "house cleaning." The Greeks never took Troy. The Trojans survived the quake and re-built.
I agree with you, though, that these events were much earlier than generally believed. I like your point about why the Hittites are absent from the Iliad.

[ellanguage]

Great information shared. Of course we should consider the slaves- people who were not from Crete but taken there to be sacrificed and fight the minotaur or be part of the bull fight. Although we know the Athenians would provide some, it is possible that other slaves came from places of different language. I would then presume the slaves had to learn this writing system and make mistakes or incorporate new symbols, as there is a debate for some signs in the disk.

There is a theory

[darrylmcdonald]

Very good! I saw the original Plaistos Disk video and wanted more. But for pure Brain Candy, I'd like to get Mr. Krapek, Michael Wood and Eric Cline all in the same video to hammer this out. Did Troy fall earlier and are the Minoan s truly the dreaded SEA PEOPLES???

[Wakanda.Knuckles]

"Trojan War" is usually dated to 1200 BC or thereabouts, not 1400 BC

[Agras]

Nice presentation, but i do have some different views.



Another different view that i have is in regards to the origin of the ethnonym "Achaeans". As attested from numerous sources, including Homer, "Achaeans" seems to have been one of the three main ethnonyms of the Mycenaeans, the other two being "Danaans" and "Argives". With the exception of "Argives" which is essentially a regional ethnonym, the other two are epithetical ethnonyms, and along the lines of your presentation, not just "Achaeans" is related to water, but "Danaans" as well, and in my substantiated opinion they denote the Greek-speakers proper.






Last, indeed. The brothers Agamemnon and Menelaus also had a Cretan origin through their mother Aerope (granddaughter of Minos - King of Crete). As for their father Atreus, his line seems to have a strong Phrygian connection when you look at their forefather Tantalus. This could in fact corroborate the southern migratory route for the proto-Greeks, which has been one hypothesis, or it could simply point to a close Greco-Phrygian connection, as has been suggested even linguistically. In any case, "Mycenae" simply refers to a powerful citadel/region in north-eastern Peloponnese, neither the capital city of what we have contemporarily termed Mycenaean civilization, nor a historical collective ethnonym. Therefore if anything, Agamemnon was most probably a first among equals, bearing in mind that Mycenaean citadels/domains/regions were all independent from each other.

I cannot recall whether there is anything else i wanted to comment on. I watched the presentation 3-4 days ago and only now found some time to comment on it. By the way, i am not dogmatic about the above, simply have some different views based on my knowledge.

[bernard]

This is intreguing. Thank Bill.

This was ofextra i tregue to me. Why? I had an extended stay on the Island of Knosis when I was 15 years old for three weeks. I went to a museum on the island dedicated to minoan clay figurines that represent the goddess. It was thought as i recall a patriarchy that became lopsided where the sociological aspect of a mythos takes over the woman's role and leaves her out. A modern day equivalent are catholic priests wearing the garb of acient Irland Goddes reference Michael Tsarion. This is in imitation of the goddess. The synbol of the goddess slowly diminished as she became less recognizable and is taken to represent the abstrsct phallos or blade of conquest. That is who gets the blond as presented into the jinogist propaganda for the War with Troy. Troys prooerty was coveted and was rooted in lust. That is when acted upon stealing the basic violation of natural law. Aka Hellen of Troy was seen as booty an object of conquest. Years later got interested in this from the book THE CHALLACE AND THE BLADE by Rian Eisler. Also to better understand Joesph Campbell fascination with James Joyce Ulysses. Joyce's Ulysses a 20th Century redition of the Oddessey is primafia evidence of the use of typology. What was the motivation for Odysseus to leave his Island Ithica to enter the Troyjan war. He was forced to or have his Island confiscated. That happened amyway when he got lost at sea for tweenty years for offending the god Poseidon and his son the Cyclop.

[eftychiospardalakis]

YouTube- ΑΝΟΙΧΤΗ ΑΚΑΔΗΜΙΑ ΜΙΝΩΙΚΩΝ ΜΕΛΕΤΩΝ Αnd Yes it"s Speaks Proto-Greek

[Megadronte]

Fer Diskos von Phaistos ist bereite 1988 von Dettmar Otto übersetzt worden

[chrisnewbury]

Interesting that the Trojan War is getting closer to the date of the exodus from Egypt. Also probably close to the eruption of Santorini.

[kamion]

Fun part is that Alexandros, the name nowadays Greeks are so proud of that they would not allow any non-Greek to associate with Alexander is not even of Greek origin but of Luwian origin: Alaksandu king of Wilusa most likely spoke Luwian and thereby his name has a Luwian root.