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Thoughts about Ginjou's history with being a Substitute Shinigami and how he first received his power? Thoughts on his past revealed in CFYOW?

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Literally just went on my break and got this notif. Thanks dude

lvfndsncrly
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Without context from the LN, Ginjo seems like the guy who would get legitimately upset when he found out that the government can look at his internet search history.

VolticWind
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Rangiku had a piece of the Soul King, which is why Aizen had to attack her to create the Hogyoku, thus Angering Gin!

insanemakaioshin
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Missed opportunity to say "This shoe has a soul or a SOLE"
I'll see myself out

PetrisDF
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Sucks how he turned out to be a bad guy. I loved his dynamic with Ichigo

codypaul
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Ginjou was a great character. The page where Ichigo realizes he's the real villain is amazing. I think he would've been the perfect villain the end the series on because he's not wrong. We know that the Goutei were not "good" in the past- what with genociding the Quincy and stuff- so it makes perfect sense that they tried to screw over Ginjou and/or kill him. But they're not like that any more because Ichigo has changed them now, as demonstrated by the captains willing giving him their spirit powers- the very thing they tried to execute Rukia for in the beginning.

TheZajicekfarber
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here's an idea, imagine if instead of soul society showing up to fight the fullbringers it was Ichigo's other allies from karakura (Urahara and the vizards for instance) imagine if we got:
Tsukushima vs Urahara
Jackie vs Yoruichi
Riruka vs Hiyori
Giriko vs Hachi
Yukio vs Lisa
Moe vs Jinta

duskframe
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He really broke Ichigo, played him, led him along and then revealed his true nature, reducing him to tears and begging. He used Ichigo's whole 'save everyone with my powers' complex and then tore into his trusting nature by revealing the truth about the badge(serving as foreshadowing given what Soul Society had in store for him with the Spirit King). In a way Kugo is a dark reflection of Ichigo if he saw the truth and Soul Society tried to silence him and butchered his friends. Kugo sure is something all right, serial killer and tragic monster all in one.

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One thing you didn't mention is that Kubo actually dropped a big hint that Ginjo was a bad guy in the training he had with Ichigo, while they were fighting there comes a point where Ichigo thinks "I don't feel anything from his sword. I thought it was because I wasn't used to fighting him at first, but thats not it. I don't feel anything no matter how many times I strike him. It's different from what I felt against Gin Ichimaru. His focus just wasn't on me. He's looking straight at me, but I can't feel anything from him. Its as if there's a lid on his mind."

Remember how Tsukishima's ability is to modify memories, and this is a pretty big call out towards Ginjo's intentions, but its subtle enough and in a moment where you won't immediately think "thats super important" and realize it right there. I know I initially wrote it off as just him thinking about something else or being worried about Tsukishima.

As for why he didn't go to his dad or Urahara he was pushed into a corner and wasn't thinking straight, he probably just didn't think of it.

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For all my Bleach Brave Souls players... *YOUR ORBS ARE MINE!!!*

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The reason Ichigo didn't go to Urahara/Isshin was because Ginjo manipulated him into being wary of them. It wasn't done very well, and it doesn't really make sense for Ichigo to suddenly be wary of Urahara out of nowhere after everything he's done for him and his friends but right before he gives him the Xcution card he says something along the lines of "how much do you really know about them?" and there's a scene where Ichigo is spying on Urahara Shoten and sees Karin leaving the store. Ginjo shows up again and says something like "do you really feel comfortable letting your little sister associate with a shady guy like that?"

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I'll tell you why Ichigo didn't go to Urahara and look for his dad Tekking: Ginjou "photo" scene was to place distrust in Ichigo's heart about his own father and Urahara too as if they were plotting. It was a good idea since it forced Ichigo to put more trust on Ginjou and THUS the plans goes into action... and yes, this was done before Tsukishima used Book on the End on Ginjou after they tried to "eliminate" Uyru so Ginjou would play "ally" than "villain".

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"I really hope they include the novel"
*cried in purple haze feedback*

boonraksaboonparn
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Took so long to get the anime back that I hope the anime will be kubo's real vision of what was supposed to be in the manga if it wasn't rushed.

briancamargo
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I really wished if we had seen more of kugo during the war arc

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Tekking101: (alright I gotta talk about this without giving away the fact I AM in fact a fullbringer.)

Also tekking101: so if I WAS a fullbringer I could modify the fluffy factor of this pillow. (Nailed it!)


I’m on to you.

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The crazy thing is that if you literally look up what a "Lost Agent" is, it would've foreshadow exactly what Ginjo would do. I just assumed a lost agent was something kubo made up lol

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I always loved how different Ginjo felt compared to Aizen and Yhwach, that his goal not was like conquer the world or something like that.
Maybe this is a bit rushed due to you reading the official novels as they come out but are you going to talk about Aura when you got enough info? I mean her, Tokinada and Hikkone are a big part of CFYOW

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He gave Ichigo a hint about the badge when he first gave it to him. Ichigo even says that he was way smarter than him and could of found a way to tell him without letting Ichigo on. Thats a big reason why Ichigo was cool with it.

He basically warned him.

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His sword is a zweihander, that's german for Two handed

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