Medjugorje: The Beginning of the End?

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[MrCharliebrown]

Wow, you NAILED it Patrick!! I've been telling my Mom this for a while now. Disobedience to the Church Christ established is like spitting in the face of Christ. Rejecting the Church's authority is a Sin because it's a rejection of Christ Himself.

[remnantclergy]

Lourdes and Fatima had scheduled apparitions too.

[Eleison]

THANK YOU, Patrick! Praise God, in His angels and in His saints! Let us cleave to our mother, Holy Church, ever more faithfully, and remain sheltered under the wings of God in humble obedience to His vicars on Earth.

[brattyyoung]

I used to believe in this, but ive been hearing weird things coming out of there.There not obeying the bishops.There building things that they had no permission to build.I saw the video of Vicka, where she reacted to someone during an apparition.She then said, she did, because Mary was about to drop Jesus.I dont think so.Ive moved away from this now.There are to many questionable things.

[ChrisLupetti]

The first seven apparitions were approved and all the others weren't: How could good fruit and bad fruit grow on the same tree?

[osiarap]

I am still glad I could hear that eloquent way of explaining. Thank you.

[kimduckworth]

I cannot rely on the diocese because I and my 2 sisters saw a miracle in Conyers, GA even though that had little documentation. The diocese is fallible. I am catholic and I thought it weird that I was going with my family to this site to almost atheist thinking. But nobody on earth can tell us what we see and what I saw was the sun pulsating and after the rain and clouds disappeared completely. So why not medjugorie I ask the church. Perhaps they should have belief more. We don't care what they think when we know what we saw. I prayed one night on behalf of another, asking God to take care of them. I shut my eyes to go to sleep and heard a beautiful Male voice say my name with so much love. I suffer from depression but that night my soul was completely joyful and even the next morning the joy flowed. You can say what you feel, but the Lord hears the voice of the poor. Perhaps our Pope and Bishops should think about that.

[veilofreality]

I highly recommend Ingo Swann's excellent book "The Apparitions of Mary" to anyone truly interested in this very controversial subject.

[ThethSeahorse]

I don’t want to sound do we need all these additional messages (from Medjugorje) when we have the Holy Bible, that is the words of our Lord, St Paul and St Peter?

[christinapacheco]

Yes?? Holly Mercy and Saint Faustina have been forbiden and condamned by the Church, Saint John Paul the 2nd did exactly the opposite, now it is an Holly Celebration, including the Sunday after Easter. What do you say about this??

[elizabethhannon]

I'm very confused. I've been to Medjogorje four times. Up to know I truly believed in the apparitions. Lately, I just don't know what to believe anymore. Here, Patrick, you say, Pope Francis isn't recognising it. However, Pope Francis whole papacy is being questioned everywhere. So why then would we accept what he says on the matter. I dont know what to believe about Medjugorje or Pope Francis

[JT-sint]

One important correction Holy Love shrine is Cleveland area. I am very familiar with them and their wackiness and their lack of authenticity

[andrep.m.maduro]

Bad tree cannot produce good fruit. Matthew 7:18

[FlamencoU]

Thanks for this clarification Patrick! Myself, knowing very little about the so-called "apparitions, " have been confused--hearing that the local bishop had disapproved it, but seeing people from my own parish getting all pumped up to go like it had been approved. This video helps a lot!

[sklenars]

What he is not telling you is that the original investigation by the bishop of Mostar was so biased against the phenomenon and especially against the franciscan priests who supported the visionaries that the then Cardinal Ratzinger rejected it and ordered a conference of Yugoslav bishops to look into it. They concluded that they couldn't say if was or was not supernatural. That still stands. Not like some reports who insist that the bishops conclusion amounted to a condemnation which it was NOT. 36 years of faking you kidding. Look at the fruits of Medjugorje. Go there and look at the lines of people waiting to confess, the millions who have found a true conversion there. Apparitions aside, it has become known as the confessional of the world...One of the conclusions of the Yugoslav bishops was that the visionaries/seers were not faking it or lying in any way and were sincere in reporting what they had seen and heard.

[elspethsilverstar]

These commentaries on Catholic culture and goings-ons are terrific, Patrick. Keep it up!! God bless. x

[frankdisilvio]

Patrick, I must pose what I feel is an Elephant in the room, type question: Considering the widening schism in Our Church, The loss of Moral Authority of the
Pope, many Cardinals, Bishops
and Priests in the Homosexual agenda that has been growing in the Church since the 1920's ( if Not since the 1700's), how do we accept the discernment of The Pope regarding anything about Medjugorje ?
There seem to be multiple
Heretical teachings pushed or at least left unclear by Francis lack of clarification, which along with the Homosexual problems within the
Clergy, that are confirming for me the fact, that we are in the End of end times as Prophesied by various Saints, especially by Our Queen. So, it seems that Francis is, if not actually leading it, but at least enabling the tearing apart of Our Church into a false, One World Ecumenical world church, with a Remnant, True Faith Church, going
Underground, as in the Days of the Apostles.
If my basic premise is correct, then might we consider that the
There may be evil agenda behind the lack of Official Church ruling on the Apparitions at Medjugorje ?
Another area of my consideration is the revival of The Devotion to The Precious Blood of Jesus, in Nigeria, through the Visionary :
Barnabus, which is Approved by the Bishop Ago Maria Atoyebi,
But not, ( as far as I know) by the Vatican.
In Jesus Most Precious Blood,
Frank DiSilvio

[carlosluider]

Bad trees dont produce good fruit. Matthew 7:18

[carlosluider]

Only the first 6 apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima as 3 apparitions of an angel were approved, the later ones to Sister Lucia in different convents are not yet approved. Does this cast a doubt on the Marian Apparitions at Fatima?
It seems that the first 7 apparitions at Medjugorje will be approved, the ban of Parocial and Diocesan pelgrimages to Medjugorje lifted, the Parish church of St. James turned into a Pontifical Shrine, Vatican lead Pastoral care at Medjogorje.

The Vatican has the last word, the side anti and pro Medjugorje Marian apparitions need to be obedient.

Does it mean that the status of the alleged Marian apparitions at Medjugorje will be changed to "Constat de supernaturalitate"?
Well, even if just one apparition is to be approved it would make sense. And will the messages and other alleged apparitions be declared 'Worthy of belief'?
Only time will tell, but it means that the origins of these apparitions are true, there is no evidence of a hoax or nefarious or other sources.

Prayers for real obedience needed.

[annabaker]

I heard what the Pope said. But he only express doubts but of course none of them seen the Mother Mary or received the messages. They just have to read the messages, all of them and pray about it. Because we served ONE GOD, and if Mother Mary works tirelessly to help us ascend in holiness, who are we to criticize her way of helping us. If she said she obtain the graces of the Father and her Son to guide us then so be it, no one can stop her, even the Pope can't stop the apparition, they can threaten the lives of the visionaries, but when Mother Mary appears, they can't stop it from happening.

Like many apparition in the past we know how much the visionaries was treated and was never believed until 100 yrs? (I would not die before the Church approved it and then committing the sin against God for stopping His work through Mother Mary, its a sin against Love, and against prudence) Don't you think?. So in 20th century we should know better how to handle with proper discernment... its not a rocket science people... If we can pray binding the devil through the Precious Blood of Jesus and the devil is gone... why can't we use that on apparitions... If it won't go away then it comes from heaven... Are we very stupid in the 20th century? I thought we are far better than the people living in the 18th century and 19th.

If we believe that Jesus is in us in the Eucharist why are we so scared to be deceived? Do you think our Lord will just watch us to fall on the cliff? Our Lord said to Maria Valtorta, that the help from heaven must be believe, because we are given the discernment if we are praying, and we should not be the person to stop the help from heaven for all mankind sake. It must be believe. What can the devil do, if through the apparition in Medjugorje we climb the mountain of holiness like no other time in the history of mankind?. Our Lord said that when we are praying the enemy cannot come, because we are protected, the enemy is refilled by holiness; and where there is holiness, the devil cannot come. If fasting can stop war, how could the devil do anything in medjugorje where conversion is happening? the devil cannot convict a repentant sinners.

You know what the follower of Mother Mary in Medjugorje does?, they fast on Wednesday's and Friday's, you think after over 37 yrs of fasting and praying they still not able to discern if that is Mother Mary or satan?, And they go to Confession at least once a month, and attend adoration; pray the Divine Mercy everyday and Pray the Rosary and many more prayers. What more would you possibly want as a proof? Maybe try praying Patrick Coffin?...., and ask the Lord Himself. Because I bit you He will come and tell you. We must listen to Mary's call for repentance. If Lucifer is calling us to repentance, he is gone mad, and he doesn't benefit it at all. remember Fr. Amorth said that each Hail Mary we utter is like a hammer that hits his head, yeah that's been happening in Medjorje. Satan is no where to be found in Medjugorje, if he come near he is destroyed! You will see just a steady ascent in holiness of the people. So leave Medjugorje alone. Get a hobby man!!!