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[bekindyall]

i am 20 right now. i got my periods when i was 10 yo. i had no clue what that was, and my mom asked me to not tell anyone in school lmao. so if 21st century kid can hit puberty at 10, when why not aisha (ra) one year earlier?

[nhassoun]

Masha Allah dr imran and abbas. I am a fan of you guys. May Allah reward you for your calmness and patience. ❤ I love it

[ahmadgazbeh]

مضى زمن لم نرى الدكتور عمران حفظه الله و بقية الأخوة
من أكثر المتحدثين فصاحة
جزاكم الله خيرا عن سائر المسلمين

[JesusisaMuslim]

In Christianity and Judaism, there is no age limits in Bible, which is why kids as young as 5 were getting married in Christian countries in the West. 


1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge

“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”

2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young,

“In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” 

Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,

“The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.”

Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,

“The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” 

 Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s,


“In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”


Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors,


“…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.”

[Dawahdude]

In 1880 Entire USA has age of consent 10 years old and surprisingly in state of Delaware USA age of consent was 7 years old.

[aishax]

Is no one else tired of this topic, it's been spoken about forever

[Toronado]

To the Brothers here Salam
There is difference of opinion when it comes to Hz. Aisha's age. Let me give you the other opinion.
When it comes to Hz. Aisha's age that is just a misunderstanding of how age was calculated in those days. Aisha was speaking of her marriageable age and not her birth age, because birthdays were not recorded at that time and there was no use for them.
The Prophet marrying Aisha at nine years old is an anachronism. People don't use that method of COUNTING today.
The Hadith where Hz. Aisha says that she was six when she got married and she was nine when she consummated her marriage is based on her OWN calculations. There are other Hadith's that are presented as calculating her age from historical events and comparisons to the probable age of other people, which makes her age to be between eighteen and twenty one.
So the question arises which ones are correct and why the differences. First in a culture where birthdays did not matter and were not recorded, how was Aisha going to know her own age? Was she told of her birthday or DAY of BIRTH? Of course not. She could have never known her own DAY of BIRTH. Then how did she come up with the statement that she was Six and Nine?
This is because she started counting from the beginning of her menstruation. That was the important factor for girls of marriageable age. And she was the only one besides her parents that would have known that day. So if Aisha began her menstruation at ten years old then if you add six years to that, her marriageable age, then she would effectively be sixteen when she got married and nineteen when she consummated her marriage. And this would coincide closely with the Hadiths that determine her age by comparison.
The Quran sets the age of marriage with Chapter 4:6
Test ˹the COMPETENCE of˺ the orphans until they reach a MARRIAGABLE age. Then if you feel they are capable of sound judgment, return their wealth to them. And do not consume it wastefully and hastily before they grow up ˹to demand it˺. If the guardian is well-off, they should not take compensation; but if the guardian is poor, let them take a reasonable provision. When you give orphans back their property, call in witnesses. And sufficient is Allah as a ˹vigilant˺ Reckoner.
Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
The Marriageable age of any person is the day that Corresponds WITH the age of being able to Competently handle their inheritance or Wealth. So Aisha was referring to Her Marriageable Age and NOT her Birth Age. This can also Cover those with Mental Disabilities. So the Quran would be the basis to understand the Hadith and NOT the other way around, because of our lack of understanding the Quran.

You may ask, Why was it so important to know a woman's Mariagable Age? Because every Year that goes by after starting menstruation without being married is considered One Year less of an opportunity for having Children. After so many years a girl is considered to OLD for producing Many Children and will be overlooked for another that is Younger. That is why the women kept count of their productive years.
The same applies to David. David's age being Very Young was because the Bible is speaking about his age After Puberty, after His Bar Mitzvah. The same applies to Isaac and Rebekah. The Arabs used to send their Children to the Jews and they had many practices that were similar. Even the Prophet SAwS initiated the Fasting of Ashura from the Jews. The Salat was already being Practiced although The Prophet may have changed it to a Muslim Style.

This subject like many other subjects in Islam need more Scrutiny than first meets the eye. Be careful when taking positions that you may need to detract from. And Detracting should not be THAT difficult when WE as Muslims should ALWAYS speak the TRUTH even if it is against ourselves.
AsSalamunAlaykumWaRahmatullahiWaBrakatuh, keep up the good work Muslims as well as others are really benefitting a lot.

[almaghrabee]

Some really long cooments on here with ppl getting upset. The age is irrelevant.

We go by maturity and there is no evidence to suggest she was not considered mature. End off.

[humbleservant]

I mostly get annoyed by Christians criticizing the age of mother of the believers Aisha may Allah be pleased with her but have no problem whatsoever with Mary peace be upon her giving birth at twelve.

[ally]

The most common defence for Muhammad’s deeds (especially the one regarding Aisha) besides disregarding/lying about the Hadiths is referencing back to the times he committed them. Usually applying the logic that since these evil deeds were rampant back then, Muhammad shouldn’t be judged by our modern standard. A fair argument for your regular person.

However, Muhammad is the final prophet of Allah. Allah is timeless, Allah is all-knowing and Allah is all-powerful. Therefore Allah would know that ‘forcefully’ sleeping with kids would be very detrimental to them, both physically and mentally, especially when the only benefit for the man is a hedonistic pleasure. So since Allah knows this, wouldn’t you think that in his ‘final book’ and ‘final message’, he would tell his most favoured prophet that these things are wrong? Wouldn’t he also tell Muhammad that taking s*x sl*ves is wrong?

Muhammad is supposed to be the most perfect man morally, declared such so in the Quran by Allah as an example that we should follow, correct? If the Quran is the final message and Allah is timeless, that therefore means that we can apply those morals to today and we’d be allowed to diddle with kids and do everything that he did. However, deep down you know it’s wrong, unless you truly believe that these things ‘aren’t so bad’?

Therefore there’s only 3 select outcomes, either Allah isn’t timeless and therefore couldn’t know the detrimental effects of what his most beloved prophet was doing.

Second outcome is that Allah isn’t a moral entity and doesn’t deem it necessary to tell Muhammad that it’s wrong which therefore destroys the notion that he’s a benevolent God and should be treated as more akin to Satan.

The last outcome is that Muhammad is a deceiver and either made everything up himself or twisted God’s words, which would then beg the question of why did God use this man in the first place or why didn’t he correct the problem.

Regardless of what you think of those options, either way that contradiction completely destroys Islam as you then have to accept that either one of Muhammad or Allah is evil. There is no escape from this contradiction, you cannot say that Aisha wasn’t actually 6 and 9 as that annihilates the Hadiths. Even if you still believe in the Hadiths but believe Aisha’s age is wrong, you still cannot escape from the many other evil acts of Muhammad which I’d be happy to mention if you try to deny them.

[ummulbanaat]

I like the way he said " IT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL, IT'S JUST BEING MADE CONTROVERSIAL" بارك الله فيكم جميعا❤❤❤❤

[facts.explained.]

This's P.a.r.t.2

Was the mother of the believers Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her 9 years old when got married to the Messenger of Allah, or was she over 21 years old?)
▪︎ Pleased read (part 1) first

● 3) Her previous Marriage before the Messenger of God Almighty to Jabir bin Mut`im. (Was a Marriage and not just an engagement).
And this is one of the largest evidences out there, which confirm maturity without any doubt.
From reviewing the evidence of Abbas Al-Akkad, the evidence that he is more likely to say that Aisha’s age at the time of her wedding to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, was not less than fifteen years at least.

Based on this extensive research of Al-Akkad is certain that the Messenger of God (may God bless him and his family) married to Aisha when she had reached a woman age, and she was seventeen at the time of marriage at the very least. And not that she was at that time a girl of six or nine, playing with swings, as claimed in hadiths atributed to her.

As for the claim that Aysha (MOB) had never been married before the marriage to the messenger, is also one of the well-known lies.
She had previously married Jubayr ibn Muta`im, then divorced, and the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, married her.
This is exactly what Ibn Saad narrated on the authority of Abdullah bin Abi Malika: “The Messenger of God, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, when he spoke about Aisha, said Abu Bakr: I was given her to Mut'im for his son Jubayr, so let me save her from them, so he took her away from them as he divorced her, eventually the Messenger of God, may God bless him, married her. ” (Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra by Ibn Saad, c.7, p. 59).

Facts: Many hadiths show that Umm Jubayr rejected the mother of the believers, by saying to Abu Bakr (Do you want my son to accept Islam as your daughter did), meaning Aysha became Muslim.
This indicates that Aisha, the mother of the believers, was an adult and mature and took the decision of Islam as an adult, and this is in Mecca.

If we believe that her marriage to the Prophet was 9 years, then that means that she was married to Jubayr while she was a baby, and this is not acceptable to even think of.

Also, her mother, the wife of Abu Bakr Al-Siddiq - may God be pleased with her - saw that her daughter had grown up when her engagement was annulled (the truth is her divorce from Jubayr bin Mut'im bin Uday), and when she learned that the Messenger - may God bless him and grant him peace - had mentioned her for Engagement to himself, she said to Abu Bakr - be pleased God on him -: (This is your daughter Aisha, Allah had moved Jubayr and his family out of her way, so push her to the Messenger - may God bless him and grant him peace - so you may receive goodness and blessing)
▪︎The mother the best to know the signs of her daughter readiness for marriage and signs of her femininity.

So what is certain is that Aisha had been married and given to her husband, then she was surrendered and divorced from him, and this also confirms that she had reached the age of readiness at that time of her marriage, not that she was a child.
Note: as for whether she was a virgin in this marriage? The Hadeeth is silent about explaining that either way. Our strong beliefs that she wasn't a Virgin, as the narration is sensed, as it confirms that Abu Bakr had “given” her by her husband in marriage.

Ibn Saad narrated in Tabaqah (8: 09) on the authority of Abdullah bin Malikah who said the speeches of the Messenger of God (may God bless him and his family and grant them peace) Aisha bint Abi Bakr Al-Siddiq. He said: I had given her Mut'im for his son Jubayr, so let me until I save/drove her from them, so he took her away from them and Jubayr divorced her, so the Messenger of God (may God’s prayers and peace be upon him and his family) married her. End.
And Muhammad ibn Saad is a great hafiz and is a great scholar who is approved by the Sunni scholars unanimous- (see: Tadhkira al-Hafiz by al-Dhahabi) 2: 425.

● 4) Aisha's Islam before Omar Ibn al-Khattab: (This's a clear strong evidence)
According to Ibn Hisham's summary of the Prophet's biography of Ibn Ishaq, Aisha (Abu bakr Al Sidiq Family) embrace Islam before Umar Ibn al-Khattab embraced it, which means that she was at least 14 years old at the time of her wedding to the Prophet, peace be upon him, thus dropping the age of 9 years completely.

G.o.t.o..p.a.r.t.3

[facts.explained.]

This's P.a.r.t.4

Was the mother of the believers Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her 9 years old when got married to the Messenger of Allah, or was she over 21 years old?)
▪︎ Pleased read (part 1, 2 and 3) first

● 10) In the seerah of The Messenger by Muhammad ibn Is'haq, mentioned the 20 people who were the first to embrace Islam in the first year of the message start.
As he has given number 18 to Asmaa (Dhato nitaqayn), and Number 19 to Aisha (Mother of the believers).
And This's a clear proof that she was old enough to embrace Islam at the start of the message (Be'tha) and not as they falsely claim she was born at around year 6 of the message start.

● 11) An other solid proof:
The Great Historian and (Mufasir) Abu Ja'far Ibn Jarir Al-Tabari at his Translation/explanation of the Death of Abu Bakr, mentioned the wives of Abu Bakr in Jahelia (Before message started):
The first he mentioned is Qutayla and her sons Asmaa (Dato netaqayn) and Abdullah.
As well as Umm Ruman and her sons Aisha (MOB) and Abdul Rahman.
And he clarified the all these 4 children were born before the message start.

● 12) The Hadeeth book of Nisa'e narrated in his Sunan, and the ruling Mustadrak of Al Hakim, and Ibn Hayane in his Sahih, via Saheeh of Al-Husain Ibn Waqid, from Abdullah ibn Buraydah from his father, he said: Abu Bakr and Umar may Allah be pleased with them both asked the hand of Fatima, the Messenger of Allah said, peace be upon him: She was young, and Ali got engaged to her and he married her from him ([1]).
The age of Fatimah the daughter of the Prophet was much older than the alleged 9 years of age of the mother of the believers, Aisha, at the time of her marriage, and still the messenger didn't allow a young girl to get married.
(Some source mention the age of Fatima was around 18 years of age)
And This clear evidence that the Messenger wouldn't allow young girls to get married.

● 13) This Famous Hadeeth is an other proof:
The Prophet said: Teach your children to pray at seven years and admonish them strongly for it at ten years, and separate them in their beds (Boys and girls).
Narrator: Its chain of transmission is authentic Source: Musnad Ahmad
A girl of 9 years is still an immature child.

● 14) It was never mentioned in the biography that Quraysh or the Arabs before embracing Islam question the prophet integrity of the false alleged Engagement of a 6-year-old girl and 9-year-old marriage to her, and it was never questioned by the other peoples (e.g Romans, Persians and others) and this evidence that this matter/Fabrication is a modern insertion/manupulation of dates/Age in Bukhari/Muslim 2 Hadeeths.
(As these books have other hadeeths contracts this false allegation).

G.o.t.o..p.a.r.t.5

[moonlighting]

Secondary school, just turned twelve and was freaked out by a fellow pupil in the changing rooms. He had a full adult pubic growth (along with a very deep voice)

Also considering girls mature faster than boys it doesn't sound strange that a girl can reach maturity at nine. Particularly in a harsh desert environment (as compared with suburban West London)

The whole Aisha RA age thing is a red herring, wasn't commented on by the contemporary enemies of Muhammad Pbuh and has only become an issue recently.

Life expectancy, responsibilities at a young age and such are ignored in Islamophobic discourse as are the marriageable ages that only changed relatively recently in Western societies.

Also ignored is the holistic view of women in Islam.
Cherished, valued, honoured and respected are just a few of the words that come to mind when women are discussed in Islam.
Mothers, daughters, wives and sisters are all regarded highly.

[badriyahibad]

ibu kami menikah d usia 14 th pada zamannya itu normal d zaman itu .anak.. beliau menikah di usia 23 sampai 25 th bahkan ada yg sampai 30th baru menikah

[autumnicleaf]

I:38 - "And she gives her age..."
You're probably wrong, Dr Imran.
Isn't there a possibility that she abbreviated? Instead of Tisa' Ashar' ('9 instead of 19), she said, 'Tisa" (9)?
Her older sister Asma (bint Abi Bakr) was 27 years old at the time of migration to Madinah.
Ayesha (R) was 10 to 13 years younger than her sister.
Then Ayesha (R) was 17 to 20 years at the time of migration, 2 years latter, she moved to the Prophet (pbuh) and started her married life.
Please, consult Tabari about the difference in age.
Enough is enough.
Don't we abbreviate all the time? If I'm asked, 'what year is the make of your car', I'm certainly going to reply, with "It's '22".
Did I mean 22 CE, or 1722?

[Mohammed-unxm]

nowadays girls get pregnant at 9-10 years at western countries! difference is-Aisha married in a civilised way and today girls do behind the bushes 🤧

If allegations were made against the Prophet SAW in respect of abuse or impropriety during the marriage, then one would expect all these claims to surface after his death, when Aisha was free to speak without fear of repercussion from the Prophet SAW. Yet, even after his death, there is not a single recorded account of any complaint or statement about their marriage, save that the Prophet SAW was the best of husbands and that the marriage was an extremely happy and harmonious one. In today’s society, very few, if any, women would describe their husbands in such unequivocal terms. Aisha was nineteen when the Prophet SAW passed away, and until her own death over forty five years later, she spoke of him lovingly.

[SillyTubereal]

Age number is an astrophysics number, not biology. Your age number is just how many times the earth have gone around the sun since your birth.

[lili]

My granma married at 14 my friend married at 18 to a 30 years old guy and I look like a kid compared to her she’s so mature you have no idea, my parents have 15 years of difference
Some people are more mature than others, so I think it’s possible that aicha RAD was married at 9 because maturity is different depending on what time and how people of that time viewed marriage age and other things like wars and people died young back then and kids used to work and help their parents it was a completely different timeline but what I like about our religion is that it doesn’t give an age of marriage we say when someone is physically and emotionally mature they can get married

[nobodynobodylikeyou]

how could they search through their lineage when their own biological father is missing/unknown.