Independent Sources for the Life of Jesus

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[RobertSmith-gxmi]

If you know how the game of telephone works, then you will believe nothing that was written down after being told by word of mouth for decades before any of it was written down.

[TheMirabillis]

This is why I always say that it comes right back to faith. You must believe that what the Gospel writers and their sources say and wrote is true. There are no live eyewitnesses. You just have to accept by faith that what is written is true.

[somethingtothinkabout]

Luke 1:1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, ...
"Many" can hardly mean one or two or even three.

[bartleon]

The Bible is the Old Testament and New Testament. Old Testament is from before the time of Jesus. The jews who don't believe in Jesus does only have the Old Testament, so Old Testament cannot have been corrupted for the sake of Jesus and for the sake of New Testament because the jews who don't believe in Jesus have the same Old Testament as we that is from the time before Jesus. Moses and the Prophets and Psalms are in Old Testament.

Luke 24: 44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father ...

"that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” The jews that not believe in Jesus do also have these Scriptures, so it cannot have been corrupted for the sake of Jesus and New Testament. Is Jesus falsely made up so that He fits into it? No, it makes more sense that Scriptures were prepared for Jesus and that God prepared the coming of Jesus.

John 7: 15 The Jews then were astonished, saying, “How has this man become learned, having never been educated?” 16 So Jesus answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me. 17 If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself. 18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.
19 “Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill Me?” 20 The crowd answered, “You have a demon! Who seeks to kill You?”

[gybx]

The first and second century writings of the Apostolic Bishops, some who were ordained by St.Paul and St.Peter, are authoritative.

[somerandom]

Did i miss something? All he listed here were biblical sorces....

[msmd]

The "independent" sources are the early church leaders who gathered at the Council of Nicaea in the early 4th century and SELECTED the testimonials claimed of Jesus' disciples to be included in the New Testament. There were OTHER testimonials such as the Gospel of Mary [probably the closest disciple of Jesus] and the Gospel of Thomas among others that were purposely excluded for reasons determined that would not be beneficial to establishing the christian church. Since various gospels were NOT included for church reasons, why would any rational person believe that the gospels that were included in the NT are completely reliable for understanding Jesus' ministry and teachings? That's laughable. 🤣 Christians today believe for just one or two reasons... their fear of death AND/OR their gullibility.

[abrahamlovesjesus]

I do not agree on luke depending on mark

[pwillis]

So no independent evidence whatsoever. Right.

[Theo_Skeptomai]

There are no independent SOURCES demonstrating the historicity of Jesus.